An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART III
T: what are some of the things that guys can do with their body to make themselves more attractive?
S: In my book I get really in depth with this stuff. But something really basic that most guys have heard a thousand times, yet still needs to be reinforced is eye contact. This is huge. When first approaching or interacting with a woman, maintain strong eye contact. If you have eye contact with a woman and she does something making you feel uncomfortable, do not look away. When you do this it conveys to her that you are scared, you are reacting to her, she is more worthy than you, and that you are in her reality. If you get scared…and we all get scared at times, do something like curl your toe, I don’t know. But don’t look away. When you make her look away she is reacting to you, thus, she is in your reality. Having a strong gaze will convey to women that even the ugliest guy is the prize. When this is coupled with a warm confident smile, the affect it has on women is profound. I personally know a very ugly dude who has only mastered these two things…and women find him very attractive as a result. Some other basic stuff that will make even model men unattractive is slouched shoulders, and hands in the pockets. This conveys insecurity and lack of self worth. Learn to be comfortable in your own skin, stand tall, and take up space. Anyway, in my book I go really in depth into this and talk about some really subtle things you can do with your body language that will make women see you as being good looking, not in the conventional sense, but in the “sexy sense. This is the kind of good looking that matters. The conventional kind DOESNT REALLY MATTER.
T: great stuff
S: yea…and the other part of being attractive is finding a look that works for you. Wear clothes that look like they belong on your body. If you need to get help from some female friend, do it!—because this is huge.
T: Very true…I think the guy from fashionforfatguys.com make a similar point. To return to your journey after you got the home study course, I am wondering what your first big Suck-sex was?
S: (Laughs) So my first “suck-sex” with this stuff was, um, I’d studied and learned the “incredible connection” pattern, the “fascination” pattern, the “voodoo dildo,” and I think “love vs. attraction.” And I was at a friend of mine’s house, and there was this girl there, and I started running these patterns on her. She was totally intrigued by it. And my friend, he sort of knew what I was doing – some type of “pheromone hypnotist” thing you get on the internet, and he thought it was bullshit. But this girl was into it, she was really digging it. My friend tried cock block me, but she was into me and he couldn’t get anywhere, so he took off, and the girl and I end up going up to a room and… well, I had run out of my four patterns! So I just kept repeating them, over and over again! (laughs) And I was scared to make the move because, you know, I thought that if I didn’t have someone in a deep trance, I really couldn’t make a move. All I needed to do was lean over and grope her.
T: (Laughs)
S: So basically, what happened was, I kept running the patterns, finally made my move on her, ended up bedding her, and I thought “Wow! There’s something to this!” I told some of the guys that I’d met through the Seduction church…I mean “Community” and they were like “Wow, you’re the best we know at this. Because, to be honest with you, none of us have actually been able to get this stuff to work!”
T: (Laughter)
S: That’s fucked up man, don’t laugh…these guys were my idols, and it was really heart wrenching to realize that they actually stunk.
T: So what happened after that suck-sex?
S: And so that was a short-lived success, I kind-of, you know, after that didn’t have much success. And then a buddy of mine introduced me to some commercial live footage of guys using this stuff on women”
T: Oh! The Orion and Kamal videos.
S: Ah, ah, it was… priceless like Mastercard. Wow. Uh, so I studied the videos, I learned the handwriting spiel, and now I didn’t have to worry about walk-ups. I’d just walk up to girls and, you know, my opening line was “If I were to ask you for some of your handwriting, what might you say?” And I’d do the handwriting analysis thing, which is basically a way of doing a cold reading. I started doing the handwriting thing, and then I would kind-of segue into these hypnotic patterns, and attempt to hypnotize them.
I had some success, got number like a rock star, and laid some girls using this, but I slowly started realizing that something was terribly wrong. As soon as I would stop doing the handwriting analysis spiel, the women lost interest in me. If I didn’t lay them within the first half hour while doing the handwriting analysis, it was over. I started to realize I was basically a monkey doing tricks. I was basically setting it up so the woman was the prize, and I was this little monkey who was jumping through hoops, hoping she would accept me. And it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, it actually got me laid. I was probably getting laid less than I was before using this, still by warhogs, um, but I did lay some hot girls using it, I have some great stories. I thought that the answer to all my problems was learning even more material…If I could only keep the girl intrigued and liking me by learning even more patterns and routines I would be the master, I speculated.
However, in time I began to realize that not only did I not need more material, but in many cases not trying to FASCINATE them and not trying to get INCREDIBLE CONNECTIONS with them, and not trying to talk about LOVE OR ATTRACTION actually made them more attracted to me. In fact, it was like the less material I did the better I became. I started to realize that attracting women is not about doing things that make them judge you as attractive. When you try to get women to like, be fascinated, or connect with you, it defines your interaction with her as meaning that it is her who is the prize.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Friday, October 29, 2004
Part 4: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IV
T: Now, let’s back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List…
S: Yes I did.
T: How did that happen?
S: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn’t do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn’t the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List… that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that “Some of us aren’t good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this.”
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn’t missing any teeth…
T: But let’s start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
S: So this is an interesting thing, um… during… oh, let’s see… in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that’s when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don’t consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I’m pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I’d be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle A1FunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: “I’d been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake… but it’s real! And there’s this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques.”
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying “Don’t post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately.” So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I’d learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn’t want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that’s my trademark, I’m notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that’s where I’m supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he’s like “Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you.” And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said “Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!” And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
T: Oh my god. Now, you’re serious? This actually happened?
S: This actually happened. This is real. Well… by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It’s quite good, quite effective.
T: (Laughs)
S: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge… I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there’s any “honey bunnies” as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don’t know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that “Incredible Connection” with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I’m kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says “No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg.” So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of… kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going “Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!” And, you know, I thought “Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me.” But I don’t think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
T: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
S: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of “super” SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the “new model” of seduction.
T: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students.
S: very true.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IV
T: Now, let’s back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List…
S: Yes I did.
T: How did that happen?
S: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn’t do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn’t the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List… that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that “Some of us aren’t good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this.”
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn’t missing any teeth…
T: But let’s start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
S: So this is an interesting thing, um… during… oh, let’s see… in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that’s when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don’t consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I’m pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I’d be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle A1FunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: “I’d been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake… but it’s real! And there’s this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques.”
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying “Don’t post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately.” So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I’d learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn’t want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that’s my trademark, I’m notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that’s where I’m supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he’s like “Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you.” And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said “Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!” And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
T: Oh my god. Now, you’re serious? This actually happened?
S: This actually happened. This is real. Well… by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It’s quite good, quite effective.
T: (Laughs)
S: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge… I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there’s any “honey bunnies” as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don’t know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that “Incredible Connection” with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I’m kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says “No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg.” So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of… kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going “Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!” And, you know, I thought “Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me.” But I don’t think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
T: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
S: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of “super” SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the “new model” of seduction.
T: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students.
S: very true.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
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