An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART V
T: Now, around this time when you were coming up in the ranks of SS, Ross was having a bit of a flame war with Mystery on Cliff’s List, right?
S: That’s right.
T: And he actually put you and IN10SE up against Mystery and anyone of his choosing.
S: That’s right.
T: Now, were you introduced to Mystery before that point? Or was that your introduction to Mystery Method?
S: I don’t recall, we’re gonna have to look at the actual date of that. But this is before that recent post that he made about challenging me against Erik. This is a couple years ago. This is actually… maybe it was before he met Erik.
T: You mean Mystery.
S: Well, his identity is already out there now, so it doesn’t matter. Now, as I discovered later on, I’m gonna sort-of fast forward here, I became a big celeb after that, Ross built me up, I started becoming a star at his seminars, you know, it’s kind-of like a “Rocky” thing – rise to the top. Fast forward, I think a big part of why I had success with his material is… he gave me something to say. Um, I’m a guy, you know, not the greatest looking guy in the world, but I’m not a bad looking guy. Good personality. I have confidence, which is a big part of my system. And the fact of the matter is he gave me something to say and he was the first one to introduce me to, having a sense of control over the interaction, you know . Not fully controlling, but it was my first taste of what it was like to control a social interaction. And I think for those reasons, I did very well with his material. As I found out later on, it wasn’t his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I’ve developed over the years.
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Thursday, October 28, 2004
Part 6: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VI
Thundercat: So how did you start developing your own method?
Swinggcat: So, this is an interesting story, let me back up a bit. Before I moved back down to LA, I was still living in my college town, wasn’t going to school up there, but like a lot of kids, wanted to pretend I was in college for a longer time than I really was. I met a guy who in this community goes by the name “Primoman.” Primoman played a kind-of very pivotal role in my breakout from the whole SS system. I met Primoman in the summer of 2001, through the EBSS Seduction Lair.
And Primoman was the guy who originally told me that there was a guy named Mystery who was great, there was a guy named David DeAngelo who was phenomenal -- although he wasn’t called David DeAngelo back then, he was called… I think it was “Hypnotize” spelled backwards.
Thundercat: Sisonpyh
Swinggcat: Sisonpyh. Yes, exactly. Anyways, he told me about this guy, and about all these different guys, and everyone else in the EBSS thought this guy was full of shit. But I told Primoman “You know what? I’ll try out your method. I’ll try out all this new stuff.” So we went to a bar, and I started doing my hypnotic seduction stuff. And Primoman looked at me and he’s like (in a high pitched voice) “Swinggcat, you got to bust their balls. And you don’t want to talk about any of the deep stuff. You gotta be superficial, don’t be intellectual. Girls don’t like that in a bar, Mmm-hmmmm.”
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: And I was thinking “What was this guy up to?” But I decided I’ll give this clown a shot. He wanted to try out this routine called the “Mr. Smooth.” So there’s this chick, I think she was a law student, and I did some hypnotic seduction on her and had her in a nice little trance. Then Primoman goes up to her and does this “Mr. Smooth” routine, and he basically says to her like (holding his hand out like a microphone in the high-pitched Primoman voice) “Hey, what is it like to be on my game show? Mmm-hmmmm.”
She looks at him like he’s dog shit, and then he says to her… and I guess he got this from a guy named Grand Master -- Grand Master’s ball-busting tactic. He looks at the girl, looks her up and down, and in his dolt-esque way, takes a deep breath and says “Mmmmm!” Suddenly grabs her boobies, big bear-paw grab with both hands, and says “You’re an intelligent woman,” squeezing her boobs as he’s bobbing up and down, with his big, dumb, deer eyes, sucking in his lips, “Mmm-hmmmm.”
She completely turns white, like Casper the Ghost. Oh, but he doesn’t stop there. He grabs his… I don’t even want to say it… genitals, and says “I’m an intelligent man.” At this point she goes to turn away from him, and he gets her leg and says “And we should have an intelligent conversation!” as he’s thrusting her back and forth, humping her like a horny Chiwawa. And she proceeds to slap him and get the two very large men she’s with to beat him up.
And it’s interesting, because in bars I think most guys, they kind-of want to dominate, or out-alpha other guys, but they don’t really want to fight. So these guys, they come up and they try to intimidate him, and he just antagonizes the guys more. Well, I had to work stuff out to avoid a fight. And on our way out, he’s like “I really think we made progress with the Mr. Smooth stuff. Mmm-hmmmm. This is so much more effective than anything else. YAH!”
So, basically, I thought all the stuff that he was talking about was garbage, but I went out with him several times, had to defend him in a couple fights, but I noticed even though I had better pick ups or what have you, there was something slightly different about what he was doing. For whatever reason, the girls he approached were trying to get rapport with him. They were chasing him, and I couldn’t quite figure out why that was.
But then I was reading through some posts one day, and there was a guy on there named Zvi. And he posted a bunch of stuff very similar to what Primo was doing. I read it, and I was like “Hmmm. There’s really something to what he’s doing.” He wasn’t trying to get rapport with girls, in fact, he would miss-matching them. He would actually break rapport with them on purpose and he would mercilessly tease girls, and he wouldn’t pattern them. In fact, sometimes he wouldn’t even talk that much. He’d kind-of make the girl talk. And he wouldn’t ask her questions. The girl ended up kind-of qualifying herself, and there was something to these posts. And, you know, about a day after that, certain people on the list end up flaming Zvi, saying that he’s full of shit, and all this stuff, and everything that he was doing comes from a guy named “Hypnotize backwards.”
Thundercat: Sisonpyh.
Swinggcat: We’ll just call him Sisonpyh. And the flamers went on to say that Sisonpyh got all this stuff from a guy named “Rick H.” And that it’s good for a certain sort of girl, but this just won’t work on women. Well, like I’ve always been since I was a little kid, when someone tells me “Don’t do something,” I want to do it. I want to find out more about it.
So I got introduced to this thing called Cliff’s List, and I noticed this Sisonpyh guy had been posting all of this stuff on there. It wasn’t “trying to get rapport with them,” it wasn’t “eliciting values,” it wasn’t “asking questions,” and I experimented with it and got results tantamount to Primoman’s. You know, got some drinks in my face, you know, didn’t get beat up, but pretty close a couple times.
And then one day I was trying some of his tactics out on this 325 lbs. black woman, and it’s like the more I teased her, the more I ignored her… the more she would try and touch me. And I realized there was something I was doing there. I wasn’t getting rapport with her, I wasn’t trying -- in fact, I was doing the opposite. By not attracting her, she kind-of became attracted. And at that point I realized there was something fundamentally wrong about the underlying meaning of the interaction that I was setting with women.
So anyways, fast forward, I moved down to LA, and in the back of my mind I knew about this ball-busting stuff. Around this time, that Mystery guy that Primoman told me about started giving these workshops. He gave a workshop in Los Angeles, and I had thought about the idea of maybe taking the workshop, but I didn’t take it. After that, there was a guy by the name of “Chris Powles,” who later became Style, wrote a rave review about the seminar. I wanted to see what the big hoop-la was, so I e-mailed him. We hooked up and we went out to a party, and after that we went to some bar, and Chris Powles’ whole spiel was he’d do these magic tricks. And I wasn’t very impressed, this guy wasn’t very good, um, later on of course he became great, but he was the one who introduced me to Mystery.
About a month after that, he introduced me to a guy named Sindrome, aka Sin. Sin was this little, pale, goth kid who looked like Eddy Munster on LSD. He a real high-pitched nasal voice. And my first introduction to him was, I went to go meet Chris Powels, Style, at this party, and I walk in, and this little kid, Sindrome, has all these people sitting around him listening to his stories, courting all this attention. And I realize “This is a powerful guy. This is a guy with a STRONG reality. This is a guy that I want to get to know.”
So we hung out, and although I wasn’t impressed with his seduction skills, I was impressed with how well he could court attention. I was also impressed with how he could easily talk to tons of chicks and get great reactions. And I realized that he was doing something that I hadn’t learned before. I started picking up on that there was something terribly wrong with what I was doing. I was considered one of the best at seducing women, and when it came to walk-ups, you know, I had great seductions that would go well, but half the time it wouldn’t go well.
This guy was doing something different. He didn’t use NLP, but he still was triggering attraction within women, and he wasn’t doing it by seducing either. He was doing something else. He had a strong reality, and he was somehow sucking people into his reality. From then on you know I was a changed man…I learned a new way of approaching women and how to suck them into my reality…very different than what I was doing before. This was the embarking upon the journey to “real success”…far beyond the days number just getting number closes and just getting kiss closes. This planted the seed for the method I developed that lets me live the mutha fuckin sick life style I live today…Caligula style sick....I used to molest girls, but now I have tools that they are trying molesting me. I know by going for the kiss and then pulling back I am making them reach for more…often times so much more that they are trying to molest me. And this ain’t about hypnotizing girls, its so fucking different and easier….its like once you get it it cant get easier. And something I’ve been thinking about lately, and that is “What is reality anyways?” And I think reality comes down to 3 things…
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VI
Thundercat: So how did you start developing your own method?
Swinggcat: So, this is an interesting story, let me back up a bit. Before I moved back down to LA, I was still living in my college town, wasn’t going to school up there, but like a lot of kids, wanted to pretend I was in college for a longer time than I really was. I met a guy who in this community goes by the name “Primoman.” Primoman played a kind-of very pivotal role in my breakout from the whole SS system. I met Primoman in the summer of 2001, through the EBSS Seduction Lair.
And Primoman was the guy who originally told me that there was a guy named Mystery who was great, there was a guy named David DeAngelo who was phenomenal -- although he wasn’t called David DeAngelo back then, he was called… I think it was “Hypnotize” spelled backwards.
Thundercat: Sisonpyh
Swinggcat: Sisonpyh. Yes, exactly. Anyways, he told me about this guy, and about all these different guys, and everyone else in the EBSS thought this guy was full of shit. But I told Primoman “You know what? I’ll try out your method. I’ll try out all this new stuff.” So we went to a bar, and I started doing my hypnotic seduction stuff. And Primoman looked at me and he’s like (in a high pitched voice) “Swinggcat, you got to bust their balls. And you don’t want to talk about any of the deep stuff. You gotta be superficial, don’t be intellectual. Girls don’t like that in a bar, Mmm-hmmmm.”
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: And I was thinking “What was this guy up to?” But I decided I’ll give this clown a shot. He wanted to try out this routine called the “Mr. Smooth.” So there’s this chick, I think she was a law student, and I did some hypnotic seduction on her and had her in a nice little trance. Then Primoman goes up to her and does this “Mr. Smooth” routine, and he basically says to her like (holding his hand out like a microphone in the high-pitched Primoman voice) “Hey, what is it like to be on my game show? Mmm-hmmmm.”
She looks at him like he’s dog shit, and then he says to her… and I guess he got this from a guy named Grand Master -- Grand Master’s ball-busting tactic. He looks at the girl, looks her up and down, and in his dolt-esque way, takes a deep breath and says “Mmmmm!” Suddenly grabs her boobies, big bear-paw grab with both hands, and says “You’re an intelligent woman,” squeezing her boobs as he’s bobbing up and down, with his big, dumb, deer eyes, sucking in his lips, “Mmm-hmmmm.”
She completely turns white, like Casper the Ghost. Oh, but he doesn’t stop there. He grabs his… I don’t even want to say it… genitals, and says “I’m an intelligent man.” At this point she goes to turn away from him, and he gets her leg and says “And we should have an intelligent conversation!” as he’s thrusting her back and forth, humping her like a horny Chiwawa. And she proceeds to slap him and get the two very large men she’s with to beat him up.
And it’s interesting, because in bars I think most guys, they kind-of want to dominate, or out-alpha other guys, but they don’t really want to fight. So these guys, they come up and they try to intimidate him, and he just antagonizes the guys more. Well, I had to work stuff out to avoid a fight. And on our way out, he’s like “I really think we made progress with the Mr. Smooth stuff. Mmm-hmmmm. This is so much more effective than anything else. YAH!”
So, basically, I thought all the stuff that he was talking about was garbage, but I went out with him several times, had to defend him in a couple fights, but I noticed even though I had better pick ups or what have you, there was something slightly different about what he was doing. For whatever reason, the girls he approached were trying to get rapport with him. They were chasing him, and I couldn’t quite figure out why that was.
But then I was reading through some posts one day, and there was a guy on there named Zvi. And he posted a bunch of stuff very similar to what Primo was doing. I read it, and I was like “Hmmm. There’s really something to what he’s doing.” He wasn’t trying to get rapport with girls, in fact, he would miss-matching them. He would actually break rapport with them on purpose and he would mercilessly tease girls, and he wouldn’t pattern them. In fact, sometimes he wouldn’t even talk that much. He’d kind-of make the girl talk. And he wouldn’t ask her questions. The girl ended up kind-of qualifying herself, and there was something to these posts. And, you know, about a day after that, certain people on the list end up flaming Zvi, saying that he’s full of shit, and all this stuff, and everything that he was doing comes from a guy named “Hypnotize backwards.”
Thundercat: Sisonpyh.
Swinggcat: We’ll just call him Sisonpyh. And the flamers went on to say that Sisonpyh got all this stuff from a guy named “Rick H.” And that it’s good for a certain sort of girl, but this just won’t work on women. Well, like I’ve always been since I was a little kid, when someone tells me “Don’t do something,” I want to do it. I want to find out more about it.
So I got introduced to this thing called Cliff’s List, and I noticed this Sisonpyh guy had been posting all of this stuff on there. It wasn’t “trying to get rapport with them,” it wasn’t “eliciting values,” it wasn’t “asking questions,” and I experimented with it and got results tantamount to Primoman’s. You know, got some drinks in my face, you know, didn’t get beat up, but pretty close a couple times.
And then one day I was trying some of his tactics out on this 325 lbs. black woman, and it’s like the more I teased her, the more I ignored her… the more she would try and touch me. And I realized there was something I was doing there. I wasn’t getting rapport with her, I wasn’t trying -- in fact, I was doing the opposite. By not attracting her, she kind-of became attracted. And at that point I realized there was something fundamentally wrong about the underlying meaning of the interaction that I was setting with women.
So anyways, fast forward, I moved down to LA, and in the back of my mind I knew about this ball-busting stuff. Around this time, that Mystery guy that Primoman told me about started giving these workshops. He gave a workshop in Los Angeles, and I had thought about the idea of maybe taking the workshop, but I didn’t take it. After that, there was a guy by the name of “Chris Powles,” who later became Style, wrote a rave review about the seminar. I wanted to see what the big hoop-la was, so I e-mailed him. We hooked up and we went out to a party, and after that we went to some bar, and Chris Powles’ whole spiel was he’d do these magic tricks. And I wasn’t very impressed, this guy wasn’t very good, um, later on of course he became great, but he was the one who introduced me to Mystery.
About a month after that, he introduced me to a guy named Sindrome, aka Sin. Sin was this little, pale, goth kid who looked like Eddy Munster on LSD. He a real high-pitched nasal voice. And my first introduction to him was, I went to go meet Chris Powels, Style, at this party, and I walk in, and this little kid, Sindrome, has all these people sitting around him listening to his stories, courting all this attention. And I realize “This is a powerful guy. This is a guy with a STRONG reality. This is a guy that I want to get to know.”
So we hung out, and although I wasn’t impressed with his seduction skills, I was impressed with how well he could court attention. I was also impressed with how he could easily talk to tons of chicks and get great reactions. And I realized that he was doing something that I hadn’t learned before. I started picking up on that there was something terribly wrong with what I was doing. I was considered one of the best at seducing women, and when it came to walk-ups, you know, I had great seductions that would go well, but half the time it wouldn’t go well.
This guy was doing something different. He didn’t use NLP, but he still was triggering attraction within women, and he wasn’t doing it by seducing either. He was doing something else. He had a strong reality, and he was somehow sucking people into his reality. From then on you know I was a changed man…I learned a new way of approaching women and how to suck them into my reality…very different than what I was doing before. This was the embarking upon the journey to “real success”…far beyond the days number just getting number closes and just getting kiss closes. This planted the seed for the method I developed that lets me live the mutha fuckin sick life style I live today…Caligula style sick....I used to molest girls, but now I have tools that they are trying molesting me. I know by going for the kiss and then pulling back I am making them reach for more…often times so much more that they are trying to molest me. And this ain’t about hypnotizing girls, its so fucking different and easier….its like once you get it it cant get easier. And something I’ve been thinking about lately, and that is “What is reality anyways?” And I think reality comes down to 3 things…
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 7: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VII
Thundercat: So what exactly is your definition of “reality?”
Swinggcat: Reality comes down to sucking people into your story -- this is your life, your story. It comes down to you being the one that defines the underlying meaning of the interaction -- meaning, you’re the one who decides how they see things. And the 3rd thing is, things are on YOUR terms. When it’s your reality, people do things on your terms. And so, let’s get back to the first one, which is that this is YOUR story.
Before, I was asking girls lots of questions, I was trying to elicit values, and what I didn’t realize is that I was trying to get rapport with them, and in the process, they were sucking me into their reality. It was their story, it was their life, I was a character in THEIR story. And when you allow someone to do that, when you enter a person’s reality like that, one of the consequences that ensues is that you end up doing things on their terms. What I’ve learned to do is ask less questions. I let them elicit MY values. It’s all about ME sucking them into MY life’s story. They get to come along for the ride, but I’m the star of my movie. I’m not in THEIR movie, their in MY movie. And for that reason, they end up doing things on MY terms.
Rapport is a funny word. In this context, when I make it about me, when I make it about my story and my life, it forces them to relate to me. I throw stuff out there, “This is what I like to do.” It forces them to kind-of say “I like that too.” And that’s a really big part of what I do – sucking people into my reality.
Thundercat: And the second part?
Swinggcat: So the second part is, defining the underlying meaning of the interaction. What most guys do in typical “dating” or “courting” of women, is imploring. They’re trying to win the woman over, they’re trying to get her approval. If they’re impressive, if they show that they’re valuable, if they’re really nice to her, the woman will accept them, and they’ll ultimately get the woman. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that within that frame, that underlying meaning, it’s really difficult to win over a woman. I mean, you’ve been there before Thundy.
Thundercat: Oh yeah.
Swinggcat: It’s like, so tough, you know?
Thundercat: Yeah.
Swinggcat: And you know, this seduction stuff is great. You’re not spending a lot of money on girls anymore, you got these great routines, these great stories, and you’re eliciting their values and making them feel all these great feelings, but at the end of the day, you’re still trying to win the woman over. You’re trying to get her attracted to you. And it’s interesting, because – I’m not gonna mention her name, but the exotic dancer we both know…
Thundercat: Oh yeah. Her.
Swinggcat: When we were talking to her the other night, she said some really sage words. Which were -- she’s attracted to guys who don’t try and trigger those attraction signals. She’s attracted to men to whom it doesn’t really matter. And the men who try and trigger those attraction signals, she isn’t attracted to. And I think that’s right. I think what we have to realize is that attraction is less about how a woman judges you, meaning trying to do all these things so she calls us an attractive person, and more about how we define the underlying meaning of the interaction. It’s more about what you do with her mind and body. It’s more about getting her so emotionally charged that she is compelled to chase you. She just has to…she is compelled.
When you are trying to win her over, when you are imploring, she is getting YOU to do stuff. She is doing something to YOUR mind and body, YOU’RE becoming attracted to HER. So doing all this stuff, all this courting stuff, you know, is really good for making yourself attracted to the girl. But it doesn’t do much to actually get the girl attracted to you. And so guys ask “How do you get the girl attracted to you?” The answer is: You have to give up that mindset all together. You gotta think of it in terms of “It doesn’t really matter.” You’re gonna do stuff on your terms, and you’re gonna make her prove to you that she’s attractive. That will ultimately get women attracted to you. But you can’t even think about it in terms of trying to get them attracted to you, or you’re back in the old way of thinking.
Thundercat: It’s like a Catch-22.
Swinggcat: It is. It really is.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VII
Thundercat: So what exactly is your definition of “reality?”
Swinggcat: Reality comes down to sucking people into your story -- this is your life, your story. It comes down to you being the one that defines the underlying meaning of the interaction -- meaning, you’re the one who decides how they see things. And the 3rd thing is, things are on YOUR terms. When it’s your reality, people do things on your terms. And so, let’s get back to the first one, which is that this is YOUR story.
Before, I was asking girls lots of questions, I was trying to elicit values, and what I didn’t realize is that I was trying to get rapport with them, and in the process, they were sucking me into their reality. It was their story, it was their life, I was a character in THEIR story. And when you allow someone to do that, when you enter a person’s reality like that, one of the consequences that ensues is that you end up doing things on their terms. What I’ve learned to do is ask less questions. I let them elicit MY values. It’s all about ME sucking them into MY life’s story. They get to come along for the ride, but I’m the star of my movie. I’m not in THEIR movie, their in MY movie. And for that reason, they end up doing things on MY terms.
Rapport is a funny word. In this context, when I make it about me, when I make it about my story and my life, it forces them to relate to me. I throw stuff out there, “This is what I like to do.” It forces them to kind-of say “I like that too.” And that’s a really big part of what I do – sucking people into my reality.
Thundercat: And the second part?
Swinggcat: So the second part is, defining the underlying meaning of the interaction. What most guys do in typical “dating” or “courting” of women, is imploring. They’re trying to win the woman over, they’re trying to get her approval. If they’re impressive, if they show that they’re valuable, if they’re really nice to her, the woman will accept them, and they’ll ultimately get the woman. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that within that frame, that underlying meaning, it’s really difficult to win over a woman. I mean, you’ve been there before Thundy.
Thundercat: Oh yeah.
Swinggcat: It’s like, so tough, you know?
Thundercat: Yeah.
Swinggcat: And you know, this seduction stuff is great. You’re not spending a lot of money on girls anymore, you got these great routines, these great stories, and you’re eliciting their values and making them feel all these great feelings, but at the end of the day, you’re still trying to win the woman over. You’re trying to get her attracted to you. And it’s interesting, because – I’m not gonna mention her name, but the exotic dancer we both know…
Thundercat: Oh yeah. Her.
Swinggcat: When we were talking to her the other night, she said some really sage words. Which were -- she’s attracted to guys who don’t try and trigger those attraction signals. She’s attracted to men to whom it doesn’t really matter. And the men who try and trigger those attraction signals, she isn’t attracted to. And I think that’s right. I think what we have to realize is that attraction is less about how a woman judges you, meaning trying to do all these things so she calls us an attractive person, and more about how we define the underlying meaning of the interaction. It’s more about what you do with her mind and body. It’s more about getting her so emotionally charged that she is compelled to chase you. She just has to…she is compelled.
When you are trying to win her over, when you are imploring, she is getting YOU to do stuff. She is doing something to YOUR mind and body, YOU’RE becoming attracted to HER. So doing all this stuff, all this courting stuff, you know, is really good for making yourself attracted to the girl. But it doesn’t do much to actually get the girl attracted to you. And so guys ask “How do you get the girl attracted to you?” The answer is: You have to give up that mindset all together. You gotta think of it in terms of “It doesn’t really matter.” You’re gonna do stuff on your terms, and you’re gonna make her prove to you that she’s attractive. That will ultimately get women attracted to you. But you can’t even think about it in terms of trying to get them attracted to you, or you’re back in the old way of thinking.
Thundercat: It’s like a Catch-22.
Swinggcat: It is. It really is.
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Part 8: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
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