By Swinggcat- author of RealWorldSeduction
Hey guys,
Due to the nature of my book I get a lot of e-mails from customers who have a great many personal questions that need some special tender-loving care. One in particular caught my attention and touches on a subject I think is REALLY important, so I wanted to share it with you:
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Question:
Hi Swinggcat,
I'm trying to figure out why this girl I have been seeing will no longer kiss me, considering that a few months back she let me both kiss and have oral sex with her. After coming home and sleeping next to me two weekends ago, she told me she'll be ready to have sex in about two months. Last weekend I drove to her in Irvine for a dinner and movie. She paid for dinner (I offered money and she declined, I told her I'm glad she makes good money so she can support me), and I paid for the movie but she got us half price with a coupon.
I'm hanging in there because I really like her and want her to take me to China in April for business and fun, so I don't want to screw it up. I don't mind not having sex as I get that from my SF girlfriend, but at least some kissing and loving would be nice!!! I don't know how to handle her to create more attraction but I have stopped trying to get any kisses, but I'm not cold to her either. I don't know how much to stand off, I don't want to give the wrong idea. Obviously she still likes me and considers me or she wouldn't waste another date with me.
Thanks for any help,
-A from CA
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Answer:
My first thought was: "Can I come to China too? I've always wanted eat dog tail.” But then I remembered that dog tail is served in Thailand, not China.
But my second thought is the one I want to talk about more. First off, I am really in awe of this guy for having the courage to ask for help. For many, asking for help can be a humbling experience yet it is one of the best ways to take a giant step towards massive success in life. I know that back when I first started learning about this stuff, I would have never had the guts to reach out and ask for help in this way. So, this guy is a better man than I was when I first started learning this stuff.
Also, I really liked when he told her: “I'm glad you make good money so you can support me”. This was great because he communicated the message that he was the PRIZE. I'm going to have to steal that the next time I'm out! LOL!
But the crux of the issue here (and this is something almost ALL guys overlook in their interactions with women) is less about trying to create more ATTRACTION, and more about being conscious of, and in control of, the underlying meaning of your interactions
with her.
Before I explain what I mean by this, I am going to digress by telling you a little story:
A few nights ago I was sitting around with some friends talking about what triggers attraction in females. One of the people there, a female exotic dancer, jumped into the conversation by saying, “You guys are thinking about this all wrong: Women are attracted to men who don’t try to attract them. And the guys who do try to attract them become un-attractive by doing so!"
Maybe I had lost mind due to her slipping something funny into my drink, but she started to make a whole lot of sense. I think there is a lot of subtle, yet fundamental,
psychology going on here, and brings up 2 specific points that I think most guys need to be conscious of:
1) When men try to make a woman attracted to them it implies that they are more attracted to the woman than the woman is to them—it communicates that they believe she is of greater value than themselves. Put in other words, the FRAME being set—the underlying meaning of the interaction—is that she is the PRIZE to be won over.
2) Attraction is less about a judgment a person makes about you and more about what you make that person’s mind and body do.
So, when men do things to get women to see them as ATTRACTIVE or more PRIZABLE—such as, trying to impress them with their money, or trying to be funny—they are giving the woman the power of being the judge in the interaction. This is bad because the only one whose attraction increases is the man.
Perhaps this is why women are attracted to men who are indifferent and have high standards. This sort of man cares less if the woman is into him. Instead he is busy figuring out if she QUALIFIES as the sort of woman he finds attractive.
Often times this makes the woman try to prove to him that she is ATTRACTIVE. Think about what this man is doing to this woman’s mind and body. Think about what is happening to her. She is becoming, often times unknowingly, ATTRACTED to him.
So, my advice to you is to firstly, have really high standards with your interactions with women. Convey the message to them that if she falls short of your standards and expectations, they will blow their chances with you. This will set the frame that you are judging them, not the other way around.
Secondly, be indifferent to them. Convey to them that it will be no loss at all if they blow their chances with you (in fact, this would be a convenience considering that it would give you more time to do other things). So, the attitude towards them should be: one way or the other IT DOESN’T REALLTY MATTER.
Thirdly, always be aware of the underlying meaning of your interaction with them. If you ever find yourself trying to make them see you as attractive, or allowing them to disrespect you, or letting them judge you, they are controlling the frame. And, if you want them to be attracted to you, you need to take back control of the frame. This means upping your standards with them and becoming even more indifferent towards them.
Fourthly, reread the chapters in my book on Beliefs, Frames, and Qualifying & Challenging if you want to know more about this. These chapters cover those topics IN DEPTH! And the only place you can find them detailed in such a down-to-earth manner is in my guide
to Real World Seduction. In fact, I feel sorry for anyone who DOESN'T have my book, since they are most likely not enjoying as much success with women as they could be if they took their first step to getting that part of their life in order by picking up a copy at:
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S. -If you have a success story you would like to share, or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would like to make, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last name. And include the country, state/province, and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to this email, because I won't get it! Thanks!
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Sunday, October 31, 2004
Saturday, October 30, 2004
Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART I
Thundercat: Thanks for being with me today Swinggcat.
Swinggcat: Oh, no problem Thundercat. You want me to call you “Thunder” for short?
T: (Laughter) Only if I can call you “Swingg.” Alright man, why don’t you give us some background on who you are and how you got into this whole “seduction” thing.
S: When I was in JR high school, I was a total nerd—I was REALLY awkward and shy around girls. So, the summer going into 9th grade I gave myself a complete make over. My daily routine that summer was waking up, walking to the bookstore, reading self books on confidence and dating , perusing teeny bopper magazines for trendy styles, and picking up girls at the mall. This F-ing transformed me. By the time school started I was a new man. I was not the stud of my high school but I was getting laid (and I do have some great stories about high school—maybe I will share them in our next interview—I don’t know). In fact, by the end of eleventh grade I was voted biggest flirt…so I must have been moving in the right erection…I mean direction (laughs).
T: (Laughs) How did you get involved in this seduction community?
S: Around this time—well maybe a little after, I cant remember anymore—I saw this special on Fox 11 News about this creepy guy who was giving seminars to nerdy men on how to use hypnosis to get women into bed. They also interviewed this guy’s top student, Mark housewife banging Cuningham, a dumpy little man whose seduction niche was sleeping with married women. The girl I was watching it with commented, “This is some creepy shit!”, to which I concurred and then proceeded to look him up on the internet. I found his book and some newsletters he had written. In his book and newsletters he talked about using something called Patterns which were used to put women into trance states making it easier to bed them. The patterns seemed like excerpts taken out of some really cheesy romance book. They seemed like a shit pot full of work to memorize. I think at the time he offered a home study course for a few hundred dollars. But I was too cheap to splurge the cabbage. However, shortly after, I had an experience which made me think there was something to what this guy was teaching. I was out with a friend of mine, and a girl he really liked, and she started off liking him too. And I played this little visualization game with her where I had her imagine her ideal vacation, and her ideal romantic lover. And… long story short, by the end of it I was making out with her. So at this point I thought there was something to his stuff, but still did not have a big enough interest to fork over the cashola for his course.
T: Hm…So, what made you eventually cave in to buy his home study course?
S: Well this is an interesting story: When I was in high school I was living in L.A., so, while my sex life could have been better, I was still getting laid. But then in college my sex life plummeted. And then one night after not being laid in months I broke down, and ended up bedding a warpig I met at a frat party…we’re talking a good hundred and sixty pounder who had more facial hair than I currently would have if I abstained from shaving for a week. I think I will be forever traumatized by the vivid memory of waking up the next morning after shagging Miss. Hippo. I was half crushed by her enormous torso, and half depressed that I stooped to an all time low. At this moment I knew that I had to get this area of my life out of the way. I still remember leaving her sorority house (God…to think they let this creature in to a sorority), washing the stench of warpig off me, and out of desperation, ordering the stupid study course. But ultimately, what made me get the home study course was not that I thought there was great material in there, it was that there was a community of men who went out and would practice this stuff. Because most of the guys I knew in college, you know, very intellectual guys, kind-of balked and looked down upon the idea of going out and spending time seducing and picking up women, and I was quite excited to get into this community and meet these people. I bought the home study course, joined Ross’s list, and met up with some of the guys.
T: So what was it like meeting the guys?
I was really excited, I was expecting these really kind-of “GQ”-esque looking guys, you know, real “ladies men” – like, I remember I was meeting some of them at a coffee shop and I thought they’d be the life of the party, and I remember going up to some frat boys because that’s who I thought they were, saying “Oh, are you guys the brothers?” And they kind-of looked at me weird. And then I noticed some kind-of small, disheveled looking guys with receding hairlines and protruding guts in the corner of the coffee shop, and I just went up to them to ask them if they had seen any guys that looked like the “fun party guys.” And they’re like (in zombie voice) “Oh, you must be brother Swinggcat.”
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART I
Thundercat: Thanks for being with me today Swinggcat.
Swinggcat: Oh, no problem Thundercat. You want me to call you “Thunder” for short?
T: (Laughter) Only if I can call you “Swingg.” Alright man, why don’t you give us some background on who you are and how you got into this whole “seduction” thing.
S: When I was in JR high school, I was a total nerd—I was REALLY awkward and shy around girls. So, the summer going into 9th grade I gave myself a complete make over. My daily routine that summer was waking up, walking to the bookstore, reading self books on confidence and dating , perusing teeny bopper magazines for trendy styles, and picking up girls at the mall. This F-ing transformed me. By the time school started I was a new man. I was not the stud of my high school but I was getting laid (and I do have some great stories about high school—maybe I will share them in our next interview—I don’t know). In fact, by the end of eleventh grade I was voted biggest flirt…so I must have been moving in the right erection…I mean direction (laughs).
T: (Laughs) How did you get involved in this seduction community?
S: Around this time—well maybe a little after, I cant remember anymore—I saw this special on Fox 11 News about this creepy guy who was giving seminars to nerdy men on how to use hypnosis to get women into bed. They also interviewed this guy’s top student, Mark housewife banging Cuningham, a dumpy little man whose seduction niche was sleeping with married women. The girl I was watching it with commented, “This is some creepy shit!”, to which I concurred and then proceeded to look him up on the internet. I found his book and some newsletters he had written. In his book and newsletters he talked about using something called Patterns which were used to put women into trance states making it easier to bed them. The patterns seemed like excerpts taken out of some really cheesy romance book. They seemed like a shit pot full of work to memorize. I think at the time he offered a home study course for a few hundred dollars. But I was too cheap to splurge the cabbage. However, shortly after, I had an experience which made me think there was something to what this guy was teaching. I was out with a friend of mine, and a girl he really liked, and she started off liking him too. And I played this little visualization game with her where I had her imagine her ideal vacation, and her ideal romantic lover. And… long story short, by the end of it I was making out with her. So at this point I thought there was something to his stuff, but still did not have a big enough interest to fork over the cashola for his course.
T: Hm…So, what made you eventually cave in to buy his home study course?
S: Well this is an interesting story: When I was in high school I was living in L.A., so, while my sex life could have been better, I was still getting laid. But then in college my sex life plummeted. And then one night after not being laid in months I broke down, and ended up bedding a warpig I met at a frat party…we’re talking a good hundred and sixty pounder who had more facial hair than I currently would have if I abstained from shaving for a week. I think I will be forever traumatized by the vivid memory of waking up the next morning after shagging Miss. Hippo. I was half crushed by her enormous torso, and half depressed that I stooped to an all time low. At this moment I knew that I had to get this area of my life out of the way. I still remember leaving her sorority house (God…to think they let this creature in to a sorority), washing the stench of warpig off me, and out of desperation, ordering the stupid study course. But ultimately, what made me get the home study course was not that I thought there was great material in there, it was that there was a community of men who went out and would practice this stuff. Because most of the guys I knew in college, you know, very intellectual guys, kind-of balked and looked down upon the idea of going out and spending time seducing and picking up women, and I was quite excited to get into this community and meet these people. I bought the home study course, joined Ross’s list, and met up with some of the guys.
T: So what was it like meeting the guys?
I was really excited, I was expecting these really kind-of “GQ”-esque looking guys, you know, real “ladies men” – like, I remember I was meeting some of them at a coffee shop and I thought they’d be the life of the party, and I remember going up to some frat boys because that’s who I thought they were, saying “Oh, are you guys the brothers?” And they kind-of looked at me weird. And then I noticed some kind-of small, disheveled looking guys with receding hairlines and protruding guts in the corner of the coffee shop, and I just went up to them to ask them if they had seen any guys that looked like the “fun party guys.” And they’re like (in zombie voice) “Oh, you must be brother Swinggcat.”
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 2: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART II
T: You seem like a guy who was already pretty good with women before you even got into this stuff…am I right?
S: I was a guy who, you know, got laid. Not as much as I would have liked to have gotten laid or by the type of girls I would have liked to lay –
T: Well, none of us can get laid as much as we like.
S: Yes, unless you’re Gene Simmons or Dave Navarro
T: (Laughter) Or Style.
S: (Swinggcat looking all green-eyed) Ugh! I hate that bastard…he has a better ass than me! (Now revealing a smile)
T: Some would say you rely a lot on your looks as part of your skill.
S: Yes, exactly.
T: How do you respond to that?
S: Well, it depends on how you look at it. My looks – I was in college at the time, I went to college up north, San Francisco Bay area, and my looks got a lot of attention… from men.
T: (Laughter)
S: There was this one time that I was in LA, I think it was for Spring Break during college, and a buddy of mine took me to Skybar, and the whole night – no luck with women whatsoever. Just crashing and burning. It was before I got into this stuff… and there was this guy that came over and he complimented me on my shirt. You know, compliment intro.
T: Yeah.
S: Worked great. He invited me to this after-party, and I went to the after-party, and there are all these girls there. Of course, I struck out left and right. And at the end of the night, he said him and his buddy needed to talk to me for a second. They took me into this room, and basically said “Oh, you are so charming, and so hot, and we would love to hook up with you.” And at that moment, I realized, my looks… were a curse.
T: (Laughter)
S: Not a blessing!
T: I noticed you do get approached by guys a lot.
S: I do, I do, I do.
T: Guys, or really ugly bisexual women.
S: I know (laughs). Well, the Tranny’s love me. I guess because I’m cute, little, and cuddly.
T: But the truth is you don’t really need to be good looking to be good with women, even though it helps.
S: Well no…It is important to be good looking, but one does not have to be conventionally good looking.
T: Hmm…what do you mean?
S: Well, for example, most of the world’s top pick up artists are not exactly what the general female populace would call “conventionally good looking”. There is Mystery who is tall but has a long Pinocchioesque looking snout. Then there are guys like Style, Rick H., David D and myself, who look like little hobbits. Damn…I doubt if a woman saw a picture of us all together she would think we looked like shinning examples of genetic perfection. More likely she would think it was something like a group photo taken from a Lord of the Rings reunion party or a picture of the cast for an upcoming Adams family movie…I don’t know. But irrefutably, she would not mistaken the photo of us as being a page out of an Abercrombie catalogue.
T: So how can a man be good looking if he is not conventionally good looking?
S: The kind of good looking that I am talking about has more to do with being sexy. Let me ask you a question: Have you ever seen a picture of two women, one of which you found to be more attractive, but when you met them in person you found the other one to be more attractive?
T: Yes…interesting.
S: The reason for this is that a person’s body language, facial expressing, personality, and beliefs about themselves, dramatically affect how attractive others find them. Think of the body as a musical instrument. An amateur musician playing something on a really fancy musical instrument is still not going to sound as good as a professional musician playing something on a shitty instrument. Likewise, a guy who is not conventionally good looking who knows how to use his body, is going to be infinitely more attractive than a conventionally good looking guy who doesn’t know how to use his body. Its so funny, but when a guy who is not conventionally good looking knows how to use his body, facial expressions, and personality, women will talk about how physically attractive they find him. I have seen women say this about little tiny bald guys and big fat bastards…It is really hilarious to watch.
T: Yes…there is home for me!
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART II
T: You seem like a guy who was already pretty good with women before you even got into this stuff…am I right?
S: I was a guy who, you know, got laid. Not as much as I would have liked to have gotten laid or by the type of girls I would have liked to lay –
T: Well, none of us can get laid as much as we like.
S: Yes, unless you’re Gene Simmons or Dave Navarro
T: (Laughter) Or Style.
S: (Swinggcat looking all green-eyed) Ugh! I hate that bastard…he has a better ass than me! (Now revealing a smile)
T: Some would say you rely a lot on your looks as part of your skill.
S: Yes, exactly.
T: How do you respond to that?
S: Well, it depends on how you look at it. My looks – I was in college at the time, I went to college up north, San Francisco Bay area, and my looks got a lot of attention… from men.
T: (Laughter)
S: There was this one time that I was in LA, I think it was for Spring Break during college, and a buddy of mine took me to Skybar, and the whole night – no luck with women whatsoever. Just crashing and burning. It was before I got into this stuff… and there was this guy that came over and he complimented me on my shirt. You know, compliment intro.
T: Yeah.
S: Worked great. He invited me to this after-party, and I went to the after-party, and there are all these girls there. Of course, I struck out left and right. And at the end of the night, he said him and his buddy needed to talk to me for a second. They took me into this room, and basically said “Oh, you are so charming, and so hot, and we would love to hook up with you.” And at that moment, I realized, my looks… were a curse.
T: (Laughter)
S: Not a blessing!
T: I noticed you do get approached by guys a lot.
S: I do, I do, I do.
T: Guys, or really ugly bisexual women.
S: I know (laughs). Well, the Tranny’s love me. I guess because I’m cute, little, and cuddly.
T: But the truth is you don’t really need to be good looking to be good with women, even though it helps.
S: Well no…It is important to be good looking, but one does not have to be conventionally good looking.
T: Hmm…what do you mean?
S: Well, for example, most of the world’s top pick up artists are not exactly what the general female populace would call “conventionally good looking”. There is Mystery who is tall but has a long Pinocchioesque looking snout. Then there are guys like Style, Rick H., David D and myself, who look like little hobbits. Damn…I doubt if a woman saw a picture of us all together she would think we looked like shinning examples of genetic perfection. More likely she would think it was something like a group photo taken from a Lord of the Rings reunion party or a picture of the cast for an upcoming Adams family movie…I don’t know. But irrefutably, she would not mistaken the photo of us as being a page out of an Abercrombie catalogue.
T: So how can a man be good looking if he is not conventionally good looking?
S: The kind of good looking that I am talking about has more to do with being sexy. Let me ask you a question: Have you ever seen a picture of two women, one of which you found to be more attractive, but when you met them in person you found the other one to be more attractive?
T: Yes…interesting.
S: The reason for this is that a person’s body language, facial expressing, personality, and beliefs about themselves, dramatically affect how attractive others find them. Think of the body as a musical instrument. An amateur musician playing something on a really fancy musical instrument is still not going to sound as good as a professional musician playing something on a shitty instrument. Likewise, a guy who is not conventionally good looking who knows how to use his body, is going to be infinitely more attractive than a conventionally good looking guy who doesn’t know how to use his body. Its so funny, but when a guy who is not conventionally good looking knows how to use his body, facial expressions, and personality, women will talk about how physically attractive they find him. I have seen women say this about little tiny bald guys and big fat bastards…It is really hilarious to watch.
T: Yes…there is home for me!
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Friday, October 29, 2004
Part 3: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART III
T: what are some of the things that guys can do with their body to make themselves more attractive?
S: In my book I get really in depth with this stuff. But something really basic that most guys have heard a thousand times, yet still needs to be reinforced is eye contact. This is huge. When first approaching or interacting with a woman, maintain strong eye contact. If you have eye contact with a woman and she does something making you feel uncomfortable, do not look away. When you do this it conveys to her that you are scared, you are reacting to her, she is more worthy than you, and that you are in her reality. If you get scared…and we all get scared at times, do something like curl your toe, I don’t know. But don’t look away. When you make her look away she is reacting to you, thus, she is in your reality. Having a strong gaze will convey to women that even the ugliest guy is the prize. When this is coupled with a warm confident smile, the affect it has on women is profound. I personally know a very ugly dude who has only mastered these two things…and women find him very attractive as a result. Some other basic stuff that will make even model men unattractive is slouched shoulders, and hands in the pockets. This conveys insecurity and lack of self worth. Learn to be comfortable in your own skin, stand tall, and take up space. Anyway, in my book I go really in depth into this and talk about some really subtle things you can do with your body language that will make women see you as being good looking, not in the conventional sense, but in the “sexy sense. This is the kind of good looking that matters. The conventional kind DOESNT REALLY MATTER.
T: great stuff
S: yea…and the other part of being attractive is finding a look that works for you. Wear clothes that look like they belong on your body. If you need to get help from some female friend, do it!—because this is huge.
T: Very true…I think the guy from fashionforfatguys.com make a similar point. To return to your journey after you got the home study course, I am wondering what your first big Suck-sex was?
S: (Laughs) So my first “suck-sex” with this stuff was, um, I’d studied and learned the “incredible connection” pattern, the “fascination” pattern, the “voodoo dildo,” and I think “love vs. attraction.” And I was at a friend of mine’s house, and there was this girl there, and I started running these patterns on her. She was totally intrigued by it. And my friend, he sort of knew what I was doing – some type of “pheromone hypnotist” thing you get on the internet, and he thought it was bullshit. But this girl was into it, she was really digging it. My friend tried cock block me, but she was into me and he couldn’t get anywhere, so he took off, and the girl and I end up going up to a room and… well, I had run out of my four patterns! So I just kept repeating them, over and over again! (laughs) And I was scared to make the move because, you know, I thought that if I didn’t have someone in a deep trance, I really couldn’t make a move. All I needed to do was lean over and grope her.
T: (Laughs)
S: So basically, what happened was, I kept running the patterns, finally made my move on her, ended up bedding her, and I thought “Wow! There’s something to this!” I told some of the guys that I’d met through the Seduction church…I mean “Community” and they were like “Wow, you’re the best we know at this. Because, to be honest with you, none of us have actually been able to get this stuff to work!”
T: (Laughter)
S: That’s fucked up man, don’t laugh…these guys were my idols, and it was really heart wrenching to realize that they actually stunk.
T: So what happened after that suck-sex?
S: And so that was a short-lived success, I kind-of, you know, after that didn’t have much success. And then a buddy of mine introduced me to some commercial live footage of guys using this stuff on women”
T: Oh! The Orion and Kamal videos.
S: Ah, ah, it was… priceless like Mastercard. Wow. Uh, so I studied the videos, I learned the handwriting spiel, and now I didn’t have to worry about walk-ups. I’d just walk up to girls and, you know, my opening line was “If I were to ask you for some of your handwriting, what might you say?” And I’d do the handwriting analysis thing, which is basically a way of doing a cold reading. I started doing the handwriting thing, and then I would kind-of segue into these hypnotic patterns, and attempt to hypnotize them.
I had some success, got number like a rock star, and laid some girls using this, but I slowly started realizing that something was terribly wrong. As soon as I would stop doing the handwriting analysis spiel, the women lost interest in me. If I didn’t lay them within the first half hour while doing the handwriting analysis, it was over. I started to realize I was basically a monkey doing tricks. I was basically setting it up so the woman was the prize, and I was this little monkey who was jumping through hoops, hoping she would accept me. And it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, it actually got me laid. I was probably getting laid less than I was before using this, still by warhogs, um, but I did lay some hot girls using it, I have some great stories. I thought that the answer to all my problems was learning even more material…If I could only keep the girl intrigued and liking me by learning even more patterns and routines I would be the master, I speculated.
However, in time I began to realize that not only did I not need more material, but in many cases not trying to FASCINATE them and not trying to get INCREDIBLE CONNECTIONS with them, and not trying to talk about LOVE OR ATTRACTION actually made them more attracted to me. In fact, it was like the less material I did the better I became. I started to realize that attracting women is not about doing things that make them judge you as attractive. When you try to get women to like, be fascinated, or connect with you, it defines your interaction with her as meaning that it is her who is the prize.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART III
T: what are some of the things that guys can do with their body to make themselves more attractive?
S: In my book I get really in depth with this stuff. But something really basic that most guys have heard a thousand times, yet still needs to be reinforced is eye contact. This is huge. When first approaching or interacting with a woman, maintain strong eye contact. If you have eye contact with a woman and she does something making you feel uncomfortable, do not look away. When you do this it conveys to her that you are scared, you are reacting to her, she is more worthy than you, and that you are in her reality. If you get scared…and we all get scared at times, do something like curl your toe, I don’t know. But don’t look away. When you make her look away she is reacting to you, thus, she is in your reality. Having a strong gaze will convey to women that even the ugliest guy is the prize. When this is coupled with a warm confident smile, the affect it has on women is profound. I personally know a very ugly dude who has only mastered these two things…and women find him very attractive as a result. Some other basic stuff that will make even model men unattractive is slouched shoulders, and hands in the pockets. This conveys insecurity and lack of self worth. Learn to be comfortable in your own skin, stand tall, and take up space. Anyway, in my book I go really in depth into this and talk about some really subtle things you can do with your body language that will make women see you as being good looking, not in the conventional sense, but in the “sexy sense. This is the kind of good looking that matters. The conventional kind DOESNT REALLY MATTER.
T: great stuff
S: yea…and the other part of being attractive is finding a look that works for you. Wear clothes that look like they belong on your body. If you need to get help from some female friend, do it!—because this is huge.
T: Very true…I think the guy from fashionforfatguys.com make a similar point. To return to your journey after you got the home study course, I am wondering what your first big Suck-sex was?
S: (Laughs) So my first “suck-sex” with this stuff was, um, I’d studied and learned the “incredible connection” pattern, the “fascination” pattern, the “voodoo dildo,” and I think “love vs. attraction.” And I was at a friend of mine’s house, and there was this girl there, and I started running these patterns on her. She was totally intrigued by it. And my friend, he sort of knew what I was doing – some type of “pheromone hypnotist” thing you get on the internet, and he thought it was bullshit. But this girl was into it, she was really digging it. My friend tried cock block me, but she was into me and he couldn’t get anywhere, so he took off, and the girl and I end up going up to a room and… well, I had run out of my four patterns! So I just kept repeating them, over and over again! (laughs) And I was scared to make the move because, you know, I thought that if I didn’t have someone in a deep trance, I really couldn’t make a move. All I needed to do was lean over and grope her.
T: (Laughs)
S: So basically, what happened was, I kept running the patterns, finally made my move on her, ended up bedding her, and I thought “Wow! There’s something to this!” I told some of the guys that I’d met through the Seduction church…I mean “Community” and they were like “Wow, you’re the best we know at this. Because, to be honest with you, none of us have actually been able to get this stuff to work!”
T: (Laughter)
S: That’s fucked up man, don’t laugh…these guys were my idols, and it was really heart wrenching to realize that they actually stunk.
T: So what happened after that suck-sex?
S: And so that was a short-lived success, I kind-of, you know, after that didn’t have much success. And then a buddy of mine introduced me to some commercial live footage of guys using this stuff on women”
T: Oh! The Orion and Kamal videos.
S: Ah, ah, it was… priceless like Mastercard. Wow. Uh, so I studied the videos, I learned the handwriting spiel, and now I didn’t have to worry about walk-ups. I’d just walk up to girls and, you know, my opening line was “If I were to ask you for some of your handwriting, what might you say?” And I’d do the handwriting analysis thing, which is basically a way of doing a cold reading. I started doing the handwriting thing, and then I would kind-of segue into these hypnotic patterns, and attempt to hypnotize them.
I had some success, got number like a rock star, and laid some girls using this, but I slowly started realizing that something was terribly wrong. As soon as I would stop doing the handwriting analysis spiel, the women lost interest in me. If I didn’t lay them within the first half hour while doing the handwriting analysis, it was over. I started to realize I was basically a monkey doing tricks. I was basically setting it up so the woman was the prize, and I was this little monkey who was jumping through hoops, hoping she would accept me. And it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, it actually got me laid. I was probably getting laid less than I was before using this, still by warhogs, um, but I did lay some hot girls using it, I have some great stories. I thought that the answer to all my problems was learning even more material…If I could only keep the girl intrigued and liking me by learning even more patterns and routines I would be the master, I speculated.
However, in time I began to realize that not only did I not need more material, but in many cases not trying to FASCINATE them and not trying to get INCREDIBLE CONNECTIONS with them, and not trying to talk about LOVE OR ATTRACTION actually made them more attracted to me. In fact, it was like the less material I did the better I became. I started to realize that attracting women is not about doing things that make them judge you as attractive. When you try to get women to like, be fascinated, or connect with you, it defines your interaction with her as meaning that it is her who is the prize.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 4: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IV
T: Now, let’s back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List…
S: Yes I did.
T: How did that happen?
S: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn’t do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn’t the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List… that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that “Some of us aren’t good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this.”
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn’t missing any teeth…
T: But let’s start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
S: So this is an interesting thing, um… during… oh, let’s see… in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that’s when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don’t consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I’m pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I’d be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle A1FunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: “I’d been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake… but it’s real! And there’s this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques.”
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying “Don’t post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately.” So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I’d learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn’t want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that’s my trademark, I’m notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that’s where I’m supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he’s like “Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you.” And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said “Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!” And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
T: Oh my god. Now, you’re serious? This actually happened?
S: This actually happened. This is real. Well… by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It’s quite good, quite effective.
T: (Laughs)
S: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge… I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there’s any “honey bunnies” as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don’t know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that “Incredible Connection” with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I’m kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says “No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg.” So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of… kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going “Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!” And, you know, I thought “Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me.” But I don’t think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
T: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
S: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of “super” SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the “new model” of seduction.
T: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students.
S: very true.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IV
T: Now, let’s back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List…
S: Yes I did.
T: How did that happen?
S: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn’t do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn’t the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List… that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that “Some of us aren’t good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this.”
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn’t missing any teeth…
T: But let’s start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
S: So this is an interesting thing, um… during… oh, let’s see… in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that’s when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don’t consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I’m pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I’d be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle A1FunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: “I’d been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake… but it’s real! And there’s this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques.”
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying “Don’t post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately.” So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I’d learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn’t want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that’s my trademark, I’m notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that’s where I’m supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he’s like “Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you.” And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said “Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!” And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
T: Oh my god. Now, you’re serious? This actually happened?
S: This actually happened. This is real. Well… by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It’s quite good, quite effective.
T: (Laughs)
S: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge… I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there’s any “honey bunnies” as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don’t know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that “Incredible Connection” with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I’m kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says “No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg.” So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of… kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going “Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!” And, you know, I thought “Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me.” But I don’t think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
T: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
S: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of “super” SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the “new model” of seduction.
T: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students.
S: very true.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Thursday, October 28, 2004
Part 5: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART V
T: Now, around this time when you were coming up in the ranks of SS, Ross was having a bit of a flame war with Mystery on Cliff’s List, right?
S: That’s right.
T: And he actually put you and IN10SE up against Mystery and anyone of his choosing.
S: That’s right.
T: Now, were you introduced to Mystery before that point? Or was that your introduction to Mystery Method?
S: I don’t recall, we’re gonna have to look at the actual date of that. But this is before that recent post that he made about challenging me against Erik. This is a couple years ago. This is actually… maybe it was before he met Erik.
T: You mean Mystery.
S: Well, his identity is already out there now, so it doesn’t matter. Now, as I discovered later on, I’m gonna sort-of fast forward here, I became a big celeb after that, Ross built me up, I started becoming a star at his seminars, you know, it’s kind-of like a “Rocky” thing – rise to the top. Fast forward, I think a big part of why I had success with his material is… he gave me something to say. Um, I’m a guy, you know, not the greatest looking guy in the world, but I’m not a bad looking guy. Good personality. I have confidence, which is a big part of my system. And the fact of the matter is he gave me something to say and he was the first one to introduce me to, having a sense of control over the interaction, you know . Not fully controlling, but it was my first taste of what it was like to control a social interaction. And I think for those reasons, I did very well with his material. As I found out later on, it wasn’t his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I’ve developed over the years.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART V
T: Now, around this time when you were coming up in the ranks of SS, Ross was having a bit of a flame war with Mystery on Cliff’s List, right?
S: That’s right.
T: And he actually put you and IN10SE up against Mystery and anyone of his choosing.
S: That’s right.
T: Now, were you introduced to Mystery before that point? Or was that your introduction to Mystery Method?
S: I don’t recall, we’re gonna have to look at the actual date of that. But this is before that recent post that he made about challenging me against Erik. This is a couple years ago. This is actually… maybe it was before he met Erik.
T: You mean Mystery.
S: Well, his identity is already out there now, so it doesn’t matter. Now, as I discovered later on, I’m gonna sort-of fast forward here, I became a big celeb after that, Ross built me up, I started becoming a star at his seminars, you know, it’s kind-of like a “Rocky” thing – rise to the top. Fast forward, I think a big part of why I had success with his material is… he gave me something to say. Um, I’m a guy, you know, not the greatest looking guy in the world, but I’m not a bad looking guy. Good personality. I have confidence, which is a big part of my system. And the fact of the matter is he gave me something to say and he was the first one to introduce me to, having a sense of control over the interaction, you know . Not fully controlling, but it was my first taste of what it was like to control a social interaction. And I think for those reasons, I did very well with his material. As I found out later on, it wasn’t his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I’ve developed over the years.
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Part 6: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VI
Thundercat: So how did you start developing your own method?
Swinggcat: So, this is an interesting story, let me back up a bit. Before I moved back down to LA, I was still living in my college town, wasn’t going to school up there, but like a lot of kids, wanted to pretend I was in college for a longer time than I really was. I met a guy who in this community goes by the name “Primoman.” Primoman played a kind-of very pivotal role in my breakout from the whole SS system. I met Primoman in the summer of 2001, through the EBSS Seduction Lair.
And Primoman was the guy who originally told me that there was a guy named Mystery who was great, there was a guy named David DeAngelo who was phenomenal -- although he wasn’t called David DeAngelo back then, he was called… I think it was “Hypnotize” spelled backwards.
Thundercat: Sisonpyh
Swinggcat: Sisonpyh. Yes, exactly. Anyways, he told me about this guy, and about all these different guys, and everyone else in the EBSS thought this guy was full of shit. But I told Primoman “You know what? I’ll try out your method. I’ll try out all this new stuff.” So we went to a bar, and I started doing my hypnotic seduction stuff. And Primoman looked at me and he’s like (in a high pitched voice) “Swinggcat, you got to bust their balls. And you don’t want to talk about any of the deep stuff. You gotta be superficial, don’t be intellectual. Girls don’t like that in a bar, Mmm-hmmmm.”
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: And I was thinking “What was this guy up to?” But I decided I’ll give this clown a shot. He wanted to try out this routine called the “Mr. Smooth.” So there’s this chick, I think she was a law student, and I did some hypnotic seduction on her and had her in a nice little trance. Then Primoman goes up to her and does this “Mr. Smooth” routine, and he basically says to her like (holding his hand out like a microphone in the high-pitched Primoman voice) “Hey, what is it like to be on my game show? Mmm-hmmmm.”
She looks at him like he’s dog shit, and then he says to her… and I guess he got this from a guy named Grand Master -- Grand Master’s ball-busting tactic. He looks at the girl, looks her up and down, and in his dolt-esque way, takes a deep breath and says “Mmmmm!” Suddenly grabs her boobies, big bear-paw grab with both hands, and says “You’re an intelligent woman,” squeezing her boobs as he’s bobbing up and down, with his big, dumb, deer eyes, sucking in his lips, “Mmm-hmmmm.”
She completely turns white, like Casper the Ghost. Oh, but he doesn’t stop there. He grabs his… I don’t even want to say it… genitals, and says “I’m an intelligent man.” At this point she goes to turn away from him, and he gets her leg and says “And we should have an intelligent conversation!” as he’s thrusting her back and forth, humping her like a horny Chiwawa. And she proceeds to slap him and get the two very large men she’s with to beat him up.
And it’s interesting, because in bars I think most guys, they kind-of want to dominate, or out-alpha other guys, but they don’t really want to fight. So these guys, they come up and they try to intimidate him, and he just antagonizes the guys more. Well, I had to work stuff out to avoid a fight. And on our way out, he’s like “I really think we made progress with the Mr. Smooth stuff. Mmm-hmmmm. This is so much more effective than anything else. YAH!”
So, basically, I thought all the stuff that he was talking about was garbage, but I went out with him several times, had to defend him in a couple fights, but I noticed even though I had better pick ups or what have you, there was something slightly different about what he was doing. For whatever reason, the girls he approached were trying to get rapport with him. They were chasing him, and I couldn’t quite figure out why that was.
But then I was reading through some posts one day, and there was a guy on there named Zvi. And he posted a bunch of stuff very similar to what Primo was doing. I read it, and I was like “Hmmm. There’s really something to what he’s doing.” He wasn’t trying to get rapport with girls, in fact, he would miss-matching them. He would actually break rapport with them on purpose and he would mercilessly tease girls, and he wouldn’t pattern them. In fact, sometimes he wouldn’t even talk that much. He’d kind-of make the girl talk. And he wouldn’t ask her questions. The girl ended up kind-of qualifying herself, and there was something to these posts. And, you know, about a day after that, certain people on the list end up flaming Zvi, saying that he’s full of shit, and all this stuff, and everything that he was doing comes from a guy named “Hypnotize backwards.”
Thundercat: Sisonpyh.
Swinggcat: We’ll just call him Sisonpyh. And the flamers went on to say that Sisonpyh got all this stuff from a guy named “Rick H.” And that it’s good for a certain sort of girl, but this just won’t work on women. Well, like I’ve always been since I was a little kid, when someone tells me “Don’t do something,” I want to do it. I want to find out more about it.
So I got introduced to this thing called Cliff’s List, and I noticed this Sisonpyh guy had been posting all of this stuff on there. It wasn’t “trying to get rapport with them,” it wasn’t “eliciting values,” it wasn’t “asking questions,” and I experimented with it and got results tantamount to Primoman’s. You know, got some drinks in my face, you know, didn’t get beat up, but pretty close a couple times.
And then one day I was trying some of his tactics out on this 325 lbs. black woman, and it’s like the more I teased her, the more I ignored her… the more she would try and touch me. And I realized there was something I was doing there. I wasn’t getting rapport with her, I wasn’t trying -- in fact, I was doing the opposite. By not attracting her, she kind-of became attracted. And at that point I realized there was something fundamentally wrong about the underlying meaning of the interaction that I was setting with women.
So anyways, fast forward, I moved down to LA, and in the back of my mind I knew about this ball-busting stuff. Around this time, that Mystery guy that Primoman told me about started giving these workshops. He gave a workshop in Los Angeles, and I had thought about the idea of maybe taking the workshop, but I didn’t take it. After that, there was a guy by the name of “Chris Powles,” who later became Style, wrote a rave review about the seminar. I wanted to see what the big hoop-la was, so I e-mailed him. We hooked up and we went out to a party, and after that we went to some bar, and Chris Powles’ whole spiel was he’d do these magic tricks. And I wasn’t very impressed, this guy wasn’t very good, um, later on of course he became great, but he was the one who introduced me to Mystery.
About a month after that, he introduced me to a guy named Sindrome, aka Sin. Sin was this little, pale, goth kid who looked like Eddy Munster on LSD. He a real high-pitched nasal voice. And my first introduction to him was, I went to go meet Chris Powels, Style, at this party, and I walk in, and this little kid, Sindrome, has all these people sitting around him listening to his stories, courting all this attention. And I realize “This is a powerful guy. This is a guy with a STRONG reality. This is a guy that I want to get to know.”
So we hung out, and although I wasn’t impressed with his seduction skills, I was impressed with how well he could court attention. I was also impressed with how he could easily talk to tons of chicks and get great reactions. And I realized that he was doing something that I hadn’t learned before. I started picking up on that there was something terribly wrong with what I was doing. I was considered one of the best at seducing women, and when it came to walk-ups, you know, I had great seductions that would go well, but half the time it wouldn’t go well.
This guy was doing something different. He didn’t use NLP, but he still was triggering attraction within women, and he wasn’t doing it by seducing either. He was doing something else. He had a strong reality, and he was somehow sucking people into his reality. From then on you know I was a changed man…I learned a new way of approaching women and how to suck them into my reality…very different than what I was doing before. This was the embarking upon the journey to “real success”…far beyond the days number just getting number closes and just getting kiss closes. This planted the seed for the method I developed that lets me live the mutha fuckin sick life style I live today…Caligula style sick....I used to molest girls, but now I have tools that they are trying molesting me. I know by going for the kiss and then pulling back I am making them reach for more…often times so much more that they are trying to molest me. And this ain’t about hypnotizing girls, its so fucking different and easier….its like once you get it it cant get easier. And something I’ve been thinking about lately, and that is “What is reality anyways?” And I think reality comes down to 3 things…
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VI
Thundercat: So how did you start developing your own method?
Swinggcat: So, this is an interesting story, let me back up a bit. Before I moved back down to LA, I was still living in my college town, wasn’t going to school up there, but like a lot of kids, wanted to pretend I was in college for a longer time than I really was. I met a guy who in this community goes by the name “Primoman.” Primoman played a kind-of very pivotal role in my breakout from the whole SS system. I met Primoman in the summer of 2001, through the EBSS Seduction Lair.
And Primoman was the guy who originally told me that there was a guy named Mystery who was great, there was a guy named David DeAngelo who was phenomenal -- although he wasn’t called David DeAngelo back then, he was called… I think it was “Hypnotize” spelled backwards.
Thundercat: Sisonpyh
Swinggcat: Sisonpyh. Yes, exactly. Anyways, he told me about this guy, and about all these different guys, and everyone else in the EBSS thought this guy was full of shit. But I told Primoman “You know what? I’ll try out your method. I’ll try out all this new stuff.” So we went to a bar, and I started doing my hypnotic seduction stuff. And Primoman looked at me and he’s like (in a high pitched voice) “Swinggcat, you got to bust their balls. And you don’t want to talk about any of the deep stuff. You gotta be superficial, don’t be intellectual. Girls don’t like that in a bar, Mmm-hmmmm.”
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: And I was thinking “What was this guy up to?” But I decided I’ll give this clown a shot. He wanted to try out this routine called the “Mr. Smooth.” So there’s this chick, I think she was a law student, and I did some hypnotic seduction on her and had her in a nice little trance. Then Primoman goes up to her and does this “Mr. Smooth” routine, and he basically says to her like (holding his hand out like a microphone in the high-pitched Primoman voice) “Hey, what is it like to be on my game show? Mmm-hmmmm.”
She looks at him like he’s dog shit, and then he says to her… and I guess he got this from a guy named Grand Master -- Grand Master’s ball-busting tactic. He looks at the girl, looks her up and down, and in his dolt-esque way, takes a deep breath and says “Mmmmm!” Suddenly grabs her boobies, big bear-paw grab with both hands, and says “You’re an intelligent woman,” squeezing her boobs as he’s bobbing up and down, with his big, dumb, deer eyes, sucking in his lips, “Mmm-hmmmm.”
She completely turns white, like Casper the Ghost. Oh, but he doesn’t stop there. He grabs his… I don’t even want to say it… genitals, and says “I’m an intelligent man.” At this point she goes to turn away from him, and he gets her leg and says “And we should have an intelligent conversation!” as he’s thrusting her back and forth, humping her like a horny Chiwawa. And she proceeds to slap him and get the two very large men she’s with to beat him up.
And it’s interesting, because in bars I think most guys, they kind-of want to dominate, or out-alpha other guys, but they don’t really want to fight. So these guys, they come up and they try to intimidate him, and he just antagonizes the guys more. Well, I had to work stuff out to avoid a fight. And on our way out, he’s like “I really think we made progress with the Mr. Smooth stuff. Mmm-hmmmm. This is so much more effective than anything else. YAH!”
So, basically, I thought all the stuff that he was talking about was garbage, but I went out with him several times, had to defend him in a couple fights, but I noticed even though I had better pick ups or what have you, there was something slightly different about what he was doing. For whatever reason, the girls he approached were trying to get rapport with him. They were chasing him, and I couldn’t quite figure out why that was.
But then I was reading through some posts one day, and there was a guy on there named Zvi. And he posted a bunch of stuff very similar to what Primo was doing. I read it, and I was like “Hmmm. There’s really something to what he’s doing.” He wasn’t trying to get rapport with girls, in fact, he would miss-matching them. He would actually break rapport with them on purpose and he would mercilessly tease girls, and he wouldn’t pattern them. In fact, sometimes he wouldn’t even talk that much. He’d kind-of make the girl talk. And he wouldn’t ask her questions. The girl ended up kind-of qualifying herself, and there was something to these posts. And, you know, about a day after that, certain people on the list end up flaming Zvi, saying that he’s full of shit, and all this stuff, and everything that he was doing comes from a guy named “Hypnotize backwards.”
Thundercat: Sisonpyh.
Swinggcat: We’ll just call him Sisonpyh. And the flamers went on to say that Sisonpyh got all this stuff from a guy named “Rick H.” And that it’s good for a certain sort of girl, but this just won’t work on women. Well, like I’ve always been since I was a little kid, when someone tells me “Don’t do something,” I want to do it. I want to find out more about it.
So I got introduced to this thing called Cliff’s List, and I noticed this Sisonpyh guy had been posting all of this stuff on there. It wasn’t “trying to get rapport with them,” it wasn’t “eliciting values,” it wasn’t “asking questions,” and I experimented with it and got results tantamount to Primoman’s. You know, got some drinks in my face, you know, didn’t get beat up, but pretty close a couple times.
And then one day I was trying some of his tactics out on this 325 lbs. black woman, and it’s like the more I teased her, the more I ignored her… the more she would try and touch me. And I realized there was something I was doing there. I wasn’t getting rapport with her, I wasn’t trying -- in fact, I was doing the opposite. By not attracting her, she kind-of became attracted. And at that point I realized there was something fundamentally wrong about the underlying meaning of the interaction that I was setting with women.
So anyways, fast forward, I moved down to LA, and in the back of my mind I knew about this ball-busting stuff. Around this time, that Mystery guy that Primoman told me about started giving these workshops. He gave a workshop in Los Angeles, and I had thought about the idea of maybe taking the workshop, but I didn’t take it. After that, there was a guy by the name of “Chris Powles,” who later became Style, wrote a rave review about the seminar. I wanted to see what the big hoop-la was, so I e-mailed him. We hooked up and we went out to a party, and after that we went to some bar, and Chris Powles’ whole spiel was he’d do these magic tricks. And I wasn’t very impressed, this guy wasn’t very good, um, later on of course he became great, but he was the one who introduced me to Mystery.
About a month after that, he introduced me to a guy named Sindrome, aka Sin. Sin was this little, pale, goth kid who looked like Eddy Munster on LSD. He a real high-pitched nasal voice. And my first introduction to him was, I went to go meet Chris Powels, Style, at this party, and I walk in, and this little kid, Sindrome, has all these people sitting around him listening to his stories, courting all this attention. And I realize “This is a powerful guy. This is a guy with a STRONG reality. This is a guy that I want to get to know.”
So we hung out, and although I wasn’t impressed with his seduction skills, I was impressed with how well he could court attention. I was also impressed with how he could easily talk to tons of chicks and get great reactions. And I realized that he was doing something that I hadn’t learned before. I started picking up on that there was something terribly wrong with what I was doing. I was considered one of the best at seducing women, and when it came to walk-ups, you know, I had great seductions that would go well, but half the time it wouldn’t go well.
This guy was doing something different. He didn’t use NLP, but he still was triggering attraction within women, and he wasn’t doing it by seducing either. He was doing something else. He had a strong reality, and he was somehow sucking people into his reality. From then on you know I was a changed man…I learned a new way of approaching women and how to suck them into my reality…very different than what I was doing before. This was the embarking upon the journey to “real success”…far beyond the days number just getting number closes and just getting kiss closes. This planted the seed for the method I developed that lets me live the mutha fuckin sick life style I live today…Caligula style sick....I used to molest girls, but now I have tools that they are trying molesting me. I know by going for the kiss and then pulling back I am making them reach for more…often times so much more that they are trying to molest me. And this ain’t about hypnotizing girls, its so fucking different and easier….its like once you get it it cant get easier. And something I’ve been thinking about lately, and that is “What is reality anyways?” And I think reality comes down to 3 things…
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 7: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VII
Thundercat: So what exactly is your definition of “reality?”
Swinggcat: Reality comes down to sucking people into your story -- this is your life, your story. It comes down to you being the one that defines the underlying meaning of the interaction -- meaning, you’re the one who decides how they see things. And the 3rd thing is, things are on YOUR terms. When it’s your reality, people do things on your terms. And so, let’s get back to the first one, which is that this is YOUR story.
Before, I was asking girls lots of questions, I was trying to elicit values, and what I didn’t realize is that I was trying to get rapport with them, and in the process, they were sucking me into their reality. It was their story, it was their life, I was a character in THEIR story. And when you allow someone to do that, when you enter a person’s reality like that, one of the consequences that ensues is that you end up doing things on their terms. What I’ve learned to do is ask less questions. I let them elicit MY values. It’s all about ME sucking them into MY life’s story. They get to come along for the ride, but I’m the star of my movie. I’m not in THEIR movie, their in MY movie. And for that reason, they end up doing things on MY terms.
Rapport is a funny word. In this context, when I make it about me, when I make it about my story and my life, it forces them to relate to me. I throw stuff out there, “This is what I like to do.” It forces them to kind-of say “I like that too.” And that’s a really big part of what I do – sucking people into my reality.
Thundercat: And the second part?
Swinggcat: So the second part is, defining the underlying meaning of the interaction. What most guys do in typical “dating” or “courting” of women, is imploring. They’re trying to win the woman over, they’re trying to get her approval. If they’re impressive, if they show that they’re valuable, if they’re really nice to her, the woman will accept them, and they’ll ultimately get the woman. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that within that frame, that underlying meaning, it’s really difficult to win over a woman. I mean, you’ve been there before Thundy.
Thundercat: Oh yeah.
Swinggcat: It’s like, so tough, you know?
Thundercat: Yeah.
Swinggcat: And you know, this seduction stuff is great. You’re not spending a lot of money on girls anymore, you got these great routines, these great stories, and you’re eliciting their values and making them feel all these great feelings, but at the end of the day, you’re still trying to win the woman over. You’re trying to get her attracted to you. And it’s interesting, because – I’m not gonna mention her name, but the exotic dancer we both know…
Thundercat: Oh yeah. Her.
Swinggcat: When we were talking to her the other night, she said some really sage words. Which were -- she’s attracted to guys who don’t try and trigger those attraction signals. She’s attracted to men to whom it doesn’t really matter. And the men who try and trigger those attraction signals, she isn’t attracted to. And I think that’s right. I think what we have to realize is that attraction is less about how a woman judges you, meaning trying to do all these things so she calls us an attractive person, and more about how we define the underlying meaning of the interaction. It’s more about what you do with her mind and body. It’s more about getting her so emotionally charged that she is compelled to chase you. She just has to…she is compelled.
When you are trying to win her over, when you are imploring, she is getting YOU to do stuff. She is doing something to YOUR mind and body, YOU’RE becoming attracted to HER. So doing all this stuff, all this courting stuff, you know, is really good for making yourself attracted to the girl. But it doesn’t do much to actually get the girl attracted to you. And so guys ask “How do you get the girl attracted to you?” The answer is: You have to give up that mindset all together. You gotta think of it in terms of “It doesn’t really matter.” You’re gonna do stuff on your terms, and you’re gonna make her prove to you that she’s attractive. That will ultimately get women attracted to you. But you can’t even think about it in terms of trying to get them attracted to you, or you’re back in the old way of thinking.
Thundercat: It’s like a Catch-22.
Swinggcat: It is. It really is.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VII
Thundercat: So what exactly is your definition of “reality?”
Swinggcat: Reality comes down to sucking people into your story -- this is your life, your story. It comes down to you being the one that defines the underlying meaning of the interaction -- meaning, you’re the one who decides how they see things. And the 3rd thing is, things are on YOUR terms. When it’s your reality, people do things on your terms. And so, let’s get back to the first one, which is that this is YOUR story.
Before, I was asking girls lots of questions, I was trying to elicit values, and what I didn’t realize is that I was trying to get rapport with them, and in the process, they were sucking me into their reality. It was their story, it was their life, I was a character in THEIR story. And when you allow someone to do that, when you enter a person’s reality like that, one of the consequences that ensues is that you end up doing things on their terms. What I’ve learned to do is ask less questions. I let them elicit MY values. It’s all about ME sucking them into MY life’s story. They get to come along for the ride, but I’m the star of my movie. I’m not in THEIR movie, their in MY movie. And for that reason, they end up doing things on MY terms.
Rapport is a funny word. In this context, when I make it about me, when I make it about my story and my life, it forces them to relate to me. I throw stuff out there, “This is what I like to do.” It forces them to kind-of say “I like that too.” And that’s a really big part of what I do – sucking people into my reality.
Thundercat: And the second part?
Swinggcat: So the second part is, defining the underlying meaning of the interaction. What most guys do in typical “dating” or “courting” of women, is imploring. They’re trying to win the woman over, they’re trying to get her approval. If they’re impressive, if they show that they’re valuable, if they’re really nice to her, the woman will accept them, and they’ll ultimately get the woman. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that within that frame, that underlying meaning, it’s really difficult to win over a woman. I mean, you’ve been there before Thundy.
Thundercat: Oh yeah.
Swinggcat: It’s like, so tough, you know?
Thundercat: Yeah.
Swinggcat: And you know, this seduction stuff is great. You’re not spending a lot of money on girls anymore, you got these great routines, these great stories, and you’re eliciting their values and making them feel all these great feelings, but at the end of the day, you’re still trying to win the woman over. You’re trying to get her attracted to you. And it’s interesting, because – I’m not gonna mention her name, but the exotic dancer we both know…
Thundercat: Oh yeah. Her.
Swinggcat: When we were talking to her the other night, she said some really sage words. Which were -- she’s attracted to guys who don’t try and trigger those attraction signals. She’s attracted to men to whom it doesn’t really matter. And the men who try and trigger those attraction signals, she isn’t attracted to. And I think that’s right. I think what we have to realize is that attraction is less about how a woman judges you, meaning trying to do all these things so she calls us an attractive person, and more about how we define the underlying meaning of the interaction. It’s more about what you do with her mind and body. It’s more about getting her so emotionally charged that she is compelled to chase you. She just has to…she is compelled.
When you are trying to win her over, when you are imploring, she is getting YOU to do stuff. She is doing something to YOUR mind and body, YOU’RE becoming attracted to HER. So doing all this stuff, all this courting stuff, you know, is really good for making yourself attracted to the girl. But it doesn’t do much to actually get the girl attracted to you. And so guys ask “How do you get the girl attracted to you?” The answer is: You have to give up that mindset all together. You gotta think of it in terms of “It doesn’t really matter.” You’re gonna do stuff on your terms, and you’re gonna make her prove to you that she’s attractive. That will ultimately get women attracted to you. But you can’t even think about it in terms of trying to get them attracted to you, or you’re back in the old way of thinking.
Thundercat: It’s like a Catch-22.
Swinggcat: It is. It really is.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
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Part 8: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Wednesday, October 27, 2004
Part 9: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IX
T: What do you think is something most guys mess up on that might not normally come to mind?
S: I think at the end of the day, it comes down to validation. Most guys are picking up girls not for the pure act of sex -- they’d just go to prostitutes if that’s just what they wanted. Most guys, at a certain point in the interaction, are trying to get the woman’s validation. In fact, even if they are just trying to get sex, there’s this kind-of misconception in our culture that if you win a woman’s validation, if she judges you as an attractive person, she’ll sleep with you because she’ll be attracted to you. But that’s not what attraction is. Attraction is not how a woman judges you. Attraction is what you do to her mind and body, whether she knows it or not, if you do certain things to her mind and body, if you bring her into your reality and make her do things on your terms, she is attracted to you indeed. And, you know, if I was to give one thing to guys, it is “Be the prize.”
T: What does that mean? To “be the prize?”
S: I mean, you can believe you’re the prize, but if you’re still trying to convince a girl that you’re the prize, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere with her. What I’m talking about is something fundamentally different, and that is literally creating yourself as the prize. Not an internal belief, but an external dynamic of the interaction with a woman. You are defining the underlying meaning of the interaction as you being the prize, making her chase you.
T: Let’s talk about your book for a second.
S: Okay.
T: What inspired you to write your own book on this subject?
S: I wrote this book because, to be quite frank with you, most of the material out there, absolutely, stinks. And I wrote this book because I think this is something that a lot of guys struggle with. I mean, let’s be honest here. Guys are always going to be trying to get laid more. Its kind-of been the predicament since the beginning of man. We’re all trying to get more poontangus.
T: Except now we can’t club them over the head and drag them back to our cave.
S: Well, we can. That’s in my next book.
T: (laughter)
S: So the reason I put this body of knowledge together is through basically trial and error, and obsession. I think most of us guys who are involved in this are pretty obsessive-compulsive, and through trial and error, I figured a lot of stuff out. And it was fundamentally very different than a lot of other products out there, and I think that I really noticed something that a lot of other guys putting products out there kind-of… maybe they know about but they never really addressed, but what I did notice was this fundamental thing that I was doing was something that a lot of naturals do.
A lot of naturals are very good at getting the girl to chase them. They don’t know what they’re doing a lot of times, but that’s because they don’t really give a shit… that’s the good part of being an ass hole. The good part of being an ass hole is really not caring about what the girl thinks and getting her to chase you. And I really think my book is the first body of knowledge that really teaches guys how to do this in an extremely in depth way. And because I have such a deep understanding of it, and because it wasn’t out there, I felt that I was almost obligated to put this book together and offer it to other guys.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IX
T: What do you think is something most guys mess up on that might not normally come to mind?
S: I think at the end of the day, it comes down to validation. Most guys are picking up girls not for the pure act of sex -- they’d just go to prostitutes if that’s just what they wanted. Most guys, at a certain point in the interaction, are trying to get the woman’s validation. In fact, even if they are just trying to get sex, there’s this kind-of misconception in our culture that if you win a woman’s validation, if she judges you as an attractive person, she’ll sleep with you because she’ll be attracted to you. But that’s not what attraction is. Attraction is not how a woman judges you. Attraction is what you do to her mind and body, whether she knows it or not, if you do certain things to her mind and body, if you bring her into your reality and make her do things on your terms, she is attracted to you indeed. And, you know, if I was to give one thing to guys, it is “Be the prize.”
T: What does that mean? To “be the prize?”
S: I mean, you can believe you’re the prize, but if you’re still trying to convince a girl that you’re the prize, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere with her. What I’m talking about is something fundamentally different, and that is literally creating yourself as the prize. Not an internal belief, but an external dynamic of the interaction with a woman. You are defining the underlying meaning of the interaction as you being the prize, making her chase you.
T: Let’s talk about your book for a second.
S: Okay.
T: What inspired you to write your own book on this subject?
S: I wrote this book because, to be quite frank with you, most of the material out there, absolutely, stinks. And I wrote this book because I think this is something that a lot of guys struggle with. I mean, let’s be honest here. Guys are always going to be trying to get laid more. Its kind-of been the predicament since the beginning of man. We’re all trying to get more poontangus.
T: Except now we can’t club them over the head and drag them back to our cave.
S: Well, we can. That’s in my next book.
T: (laughter)
S: So the reason I put this body of knowledge together is through basically trial and error, and obsession. I think most of us guys who are involved in this are pretty obsessive-compulsive, and through trial and error, I figured a lot of stuff out. And it was fundamentally very different than a lot of other products out there, and I think that I really noticed something that a lot of other guys putting products out there kind-of… maybe they know about but they never really addressed, but what I did notice was this fundamental thing that I was doing was something that a lot of naturals do.
A lot of naturals are very good at getting the girl to chase them. They don’t know what they’re doing a lot of times, but that’s because they don’t really give a shit… that’s the good part of being an ass hole. The good part of being an ass hole is really not caring about what the girl thinks and getting her to chase you. And I really think my book is the first body of knowledge that really teaches guys how to do this in an extremely in depth way. And because I have such a deep understanding of it, and because it wasn’t out there, I felt that I was almost obligated to put this book together and offer it to other guys.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 10: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART X
T: Now, you call your book “Real World Seduction.” Explain the reasoning behind picking that name as opposed to something like “Super fast Pick-Up happy quick magic,” or something of the equivalent.
S: Well, the reason is at the end of the day, we can sit around and argue about what the semantics of what seduction is, but when it comes down to it, seduction is basically the process of going from meeting a woman to sleeping with her. We can exclude paying for her, and we can exclude forms of rape. Regardless, there’s many different ways to go about it, but that very process is what I’m calling “seduction.” So, seduction is what I think is the process of what we do.
The reason I call it “Real World” is because this isn’t just a bunch of theory. I’m not going to get into fancy “Sperm War” stuff, or what have you. This is my real life experience. I am a real life, real world seducer. And although certain other people inspired me, the stuff that I came up with is just from my experience. And I think that’s fundamentally different than a lot of the stuff out there. I mean, I think a lot of the stuff should be called “Armchair Seduction,” or “Real Computer Seduction,” or something like that. Most of these guys aren’t out in the field, so to speak.
You know, I’m interacting with real women on a constant basis, and I think that’s what’s fundamentally different. It’s interesting, Robert Greene has a book called “Art of Seduction” where he talks about all these different things, all these different examples, and the book is quite good, because in my experience, a lot of that stuff is right on. Now, interestingly enough, I know a lot of guys who don’t find his stuff practical. That tells me they aren’t out in the field, because that book exemplifies exactly what the process of seduction is, and what the process of attraction is. There’s many ways to go about it, but attraction is, at the end of the day, what you do to a woman’s mind and body. Not how you get her to judge you.
T: How would you compare your book to some of the other stuff on the market out there?
S: The main thing my book is going to teach you how to do is, when it comes down to it, we all have some sort of need, or validation, and possibly even insecurity for having control over certain social interactions. We’ve all been there before where it’s like, even if we get laid haphazard, we’ve been in situations where we just don’t feel like we have control over the situation. We can’t direct where it goes. In my book, I’ve really broken it down to a science. It is so easy to control the interaction once you’ve read my book.
T: One of the things I like about your book is you actually have homework assignments. I don’t know of many other product that does that, and the products out there that do, in fact, do it, it’s not like “serious” homework.
S: Well, thank you.
T: I know it’s helped me a lot.
S: Fantastic. How has it helped you, by the way?
T: Well, I can actually talk to women now!
S: Awesome. I get e-mails from guys all the time saying my book changed their life.
T: Exactly. I mean, we’ve been out before, and you’ve seen how I progressed.
S: You’ve made huge, huge improvements. I mean, you’re amazing.
T: Thanks, man. But getting back to you…
S: Okay. Now that our “hug” is over.
T: (Laughs) That’s right, nobody want’s to hear about me. What’s in the future for Swinggcat? What are you looking forward to doing?
S: I’m working on quite a bit of stuff, and one of the things I’m interested in is teaching guys how to master socializing, because it’s beyond just issues with women and stuff like that. There’s a ton of material that I haven’t even talked about that I’ve been working on that will give you power in business, in social situations, and there’s a lot of products I’m going to develop online.
T: Well, that begs the question everyone really wants to know. Are you going to do seminars?
S: Still undecided if I’m going to do seminars or not.
T: Does it depend on the kind of interest that’s out there?
S: Oh, the interest is there. The question is if I want to go in that direction or not. But there’s all sorts of stuff in the works. And possibly even in-field workshops, though it would be something that would kind-of crack the paradigm of what is currently available. It would be something very different. But it’s going to be absolutely life changing, no matter what it is
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART X
T: Now, you call your book “Real World Seduction.” Explain the reasoning behind picking that name as opposed to something like “Super fast Pick-Up happy quick magic,” or something of the equivalent.
S: Well, the reason is at the end of the day, we can sit around and argue about what the semantics of what seduction is, but when it comes down to it, seduction is basically the process of going from meeting a woman to sleeping with her. We can exclude paying for her, and we can exclude forms of rape. Regardless, there’s many different ways to go about it, but that very process is what I’m calling “seduction.” So, seduction is what I think is the process of what we do.
The reason I call it “Real World” is because this isn’t just a bunch of theory. I’m not going to get into fancy “Sperm War” stuff, or what have you. This is my real life experience. I am a real life, real world seducer. And although certain other people inspired me, the stuff that I came up with is just from my experience. And I think that’s fundamentally different than a lot of the stuff out there. I mean, I think a lot of the stuff should be called “Armchair Seduction,” or “Real Computer Seduction,” or something like that. Most of these guys aren’t out in the field, so to speak.
You know, I’m interacting with real women on a constant basis, and I think that’s what’s fundamentally different. It’s interesting, Robert Greene has a book called “Art of Seduction” where he talks about all these different things, all these different examples, and the book is quite good, because in my experience, a lot of that stuff is right on. Now, interestingly enough, I know a lot of guys who don’t find his stuff practical. That tells me they aren’t out in the field, because that book exemplifies exactly what the process of seduction is, and what the process of attraction is. There’s many ways to go about it, but attraction is, at the end of the day, what you do to a woman’s mind and body. Not how you get her to judge you.
T: How would you compare your book to some of the other stuff on the market out there?
S: The main thing my book is going to teach you how to do is, when it comes down to it, we all have some sort of need, or validation, and possibly even insecurity for having control over certain social interactions. We’ve all been there before where it’s like, even if we get laid haphazard, we’ve been in situations where we just don’t feel like we have control over the situation. We can’t direct where it goes. In my book, I’ve really broken it down to a science. It is so easy to control the interaction once you’ve read my book.
T: One of the things I like about your book is you actually have homework assignments. I don’t know of many other product that does that, and the products out there that do, in fact, do it, it’s not like “serious” homework.
S: Well, thank you.
T: I know it’s helped me a lot.
S: Fantastic. How has it helped you, by the way?
T: Well, I can actually talk to women now!
S: Awesome. I get e-mails from guys all the time saying my book changed their life.
T: Exactly. I mean, we’ve been out before, and you’ve seen how I progressed.
S: You’ve made huge, huge improvements. I mean, you’re amazing.
T: Thanks, man. But getting back to you…
S: Okay. Now that our “hug” is over.
T: (Laughs) That’s right, nobody want’s to hear about me. What’s in the future for Swinggcat? What are you looking forward to doing?
S: I’m working on quite a bit of stuff, and one of the things I’m interested in is teaching guys how to master socializing, because it’s beyond just issues with women and stuff like that. There’s a ton of material that I haven’t even talked about that I’ve been working on that will give you power in business, in social situations, and there’s a lot of products I’m going to develop online.
T: Well, that begs the question everyone really wants to know. Are you going to do seminars?
S: Still undecided if I’m going to do seminars or not.
T: Does it depend on the kind of interest that’s out there?
S: Oh, the interest is there. The question is if I want to go in that direction or not. But there’s all sorts of stuff in the works. And possibly even in-field workshops, though it would be something that would kind-of crack the paradigm of what is currently available. It would be something very different. But it’s going to be absolutely life changing, no matter what it is
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
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Tuesday, October 19, 2004
Building Attraction Through Tension Loops…
By Swinggcat - author of Real World Seduction
One of my maxims for ATRACTING women is to make them ABC…to make them ALWAYS BE CHASING me.
In my book I call this PRIZING.
PRIZING women is important because when you do things to make women chase you they will begin to see you as a PRIZE they want to win over.
One technique for PRIZING I talk about in my book is Open Loop. An Open Loop is an unfinished thought or story. So, within the context of ATTRACTING women, some examples of open loops are:
When a man tells a woman a really juicy story and just at the point that she really starts to get into the story, he intentionally withholds the conclusion from her.
Or…
When a man acts as if he knows something about a woman but when she asks him what it is he refuses to tell her.
Are you guys starting to get why open loops are so powerful?
They are powerful because they leave women wanting and reaching for more.
And when women are wanting and reaching for more, they are CHASING us.
I have noticed a few of the guys who have recently purchased my book have spawned quite a few online discussions on open loops.
This is great because it tells me that guys are really getting out there and using the ideas in my book.
Recently I have been thinking a lot about the psychological mechanism behind open loops: What is it about ‘open loops’ that cause women to want and reach for more?
And about a month ago it dawned on me while watching TV. I was watching a television show that I did not find terribly interesting, and out of nowhere the power went out. The weird thing was that inside I felt this emotional “want” to find out the conclusion to a TV show I did not even find interesting. But the more I thought about this the more I realized that I did not really want to find out what happened, but wanted closure and resolution.
Even though the show was not very good, it had created some unresolved emotional tension in me. The power going out made me aware of my need to release, resolve, and bring closure to this tension.
So, what I have discovered is that the psychological mechanism behind open loops is in creating unresolved emotional tension.
What I have realized is that besides using open loops, there are literally hundreds of ways of creating, and increasing unresolved emotional tension.
Doing this is what I call a “Tension Loop." The structure of a Tension Loop is to first do something that creates unresolved emotional tension.
For example, you could do this by using an open loop: an unfinished story or thought.
Or you could do this by creating a barrier between you and a woman. If you have chemistry with a woman you might want to hint that there is already a woman in your life, planting the seed in her mind that even though you and her like each other, it probably will not work out between the both of you because you are already taken.
Or you could feign being really offended by something a woman does or says. If she asks you, “What do you do for a living?” you could hasten back with, “I am not the guy who used to work with you at Mc. Donald’s, and if we ever hang out there is to be no talk about your career path at McDonalds…I wouldn’t want you to embarrass me in front of my friends”.
Or you could do something to invalidate a woman, such as, acting unimpressed with her or even hinting at not liking her.
Once you have created this tension loop inside a woman, you can keep going with it: you can build it larger and more intense.
For example, if you create a tension loop by acting offended by something a woman says or does, you can make that tension loop larger and more intense by continuing to act offended.
But at a certain point, you need to close the tension loop-bring some resolution, release, or closure to it.
I have found that people who are effective at using tension loops-for example, auspicious writers and marketers - all follow a similar structure:
1) They do or say something to create the tension loop.
2) They keep going with what they said or did, making the “tension loop” larger.
3) They do something to close the tension loop; bring some release or resolution to it.
4) They open it back up, but just a little bit.
Also, have you ever noticed that this is the structure of many great movies? Think about it: many great movies start off with a tension loop by introducing some kind of conflict or drama. Then, the tension loop increases up until the point of the climax. Then the tension loop is closed by bringing some resolution to the conflict or drama. And, finally, the movie ends by either the tension loop being opened back up or a new tension loop opening up. This makes the movie watcher want to see the sequel.
Let's now look at an example of sparking a tension loop, building it, closing it, and then opening up a new tension loop - but just a little bit.
A few days ago, after exchanging some light banter with a woman, I said to her, “You know…I don’t like you…”
She gave me a flabbergasted look and panted, “What!” (Being the attractive woman that she was, she had probably never had anyone say this to her before).
I had sparked a tension loop in her.
Next I made the tension loop bigger by saying, “I’m sorry, that probably came off wrong. Let me be more specific: I really don’t like you.”
Here I was making the tension loop larger: intensifying all of that unresolved emotional tension inside her. Now although this is very powerful, you do not want to create so much tension that she snaps -you do not want to PUSH her away completely. So the idea is to take her to the edge - or close to it. It is similar to kids blowing bubbles. They want to blow as much air into the bubble to ensure that it is as big as possible, but if they blow too much air into the bubble it will pop. This takes practice, and you really have to learn to observe how much emotional tension she is experiencing at any given moment.
Then I said to her, “And the reason I don’t like you is that you remind me of this girl Miranda whom I hated in the second grade. I hated her because she used to always beat me at hot hands (BTW, “hot hands” is a game that children play).
Then I challenged her to a game of hot hands, defeated her quickly, and gloated, “Yes…I am the winner, and, actually, I like you now…since you really stink at hot hands”.
Here I closed the tension loop by bringing resolution and release to her emotional tension. And then I opened a new loop - just a little bit - by telling her that she stinks at hot hands.
There is a lot of psychologically going on here. And in this newsletter I am only scratching the surface of what I am doing. I am going to do another newsletter soon, where I will go a lot deeper into the psychological mechanisms of tension loops.
But if you are really interested in mastering the techniques for triggering these underlying psychological mechanisms in women come visit me at:
http://www.realworldseduction.com
P.S.-If you have a question for me, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com _____________________________________________
Copyright 2004© Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved.
Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of
Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
One of my maxims for ATRACTING women is to make them ABC…to make them ALWAYS BE CHASING me.
In my book I call this PRIZING.
PRIZING women is important because when you do things to make women chase you they will begin to see you as a PRIZE they want to win over.
One technique for PRIZING I talk about in my book is Open Loop. An Open Loop is an unfinished thought or story. So, within the context of ATTRACTING women, some examples of open loops are:
When a man tells a woman a really juicy story and just at the point that she really starts to get into the story, he intentionally withholds the conclusion from her.
Or…
When a man acts as if he knows something about a woman but when she asks him what it is he refuses to tell her.
Are you guys starting to get why open loops are so powerful?
They are powerful because they leave women wanting and reaching for more.
And when women are wanting and reaching for more, they are CHASING us.
I have noticed a few of the guys who have recently purchased my book have spawned quite a few online discussions on open loops.
This is great because it tells me that guys are really getting out there and using the ideas in my book.
Recently I have been thinking a lot about the psychological mechanism behind open loops: What is it about ‘open loops’ that cause women to want and reach for more?
And about a month ago it dawned on me while watching TV. I was watching a television show that I did not find terribly interesting, and out of nowhere the power went out. The weird thing was that inside I felt this emotional “want” to find out the conclusion to a TV show I did not even find interesting. But the more I thought about this the more I realized that I did not really want to find out what happened, but wanted closure and resolution.
Even though the show was not very good, it had created some unresolved emotional tension in me. The power going out made me aware of my need to release, resolve, and bring closure to this tension.
So, what I have discovered is that the psychological mechanism behind open loops is in creating unresolved emotional tension.
What I have realized is that besides using open loops, there are literally hundreds of ways of creating, and increasing unresolved emotional tension.
Doing this is what I call a “Tension Loop." The structure of a Tension Loop is to first do something that creates unresolved emotional tension.
For example, you could do this by using an open loop: an unfinished story or thought.
Or you could do this by creating a barrier between you and a woman. If you have chemistry with a woman you might want to hint that there is already a woman in your life, planting the seed in her mind that even though you and her like each other, it probably will not work out between the both of you because you are already taken.
Or you could feign being really offended by something a woman does or says. If she asks you, “What do you do for a living?” you could hasten back with, “I am not the guy who used to work with you at Mc. Donald’s, and if we ever hang out there is to be no talk about your career path at McDonalds…I wouldn’t want you to embarrass me in front of my friends”.
Or you could do something to invalidate a woman, such as, acting unimpressed with her or even hinting at not liking her.
Once you have created this tension loop inside a woman, you can keep going with it: you can build it larger and more intense.
For example, if you create a tension loop by acting offended by something a woman says or does, you can make that tension loop larger and more intense by continuing to act offended.
But at a certain point, you need to close the tension loop-bring some resolution, release, or closure to it.
I have found that people who are effective at using tension loops-for example, auspicious writers and marketers - all follow a similar structure:
1) They do or say something to create the tension loop.
2) They keep going with what they said or did, making the “tension loop” larger.
3) They do something to close the tension loop; bring some release or resolution to it.
4) They open it back up, but just a little bit.
Also, have you ever noticed that this is the structure of many great movies? Think about it: many great movies start off with a tension loop by introducing some kind of conflict or drama. Then, the tension loop increases up until the point of the climax. Then the tension loop is closed by bringing some resolution to the conflict or drama. And, finally, the movie ends by either the tension loop being opened back up or a new tension loop opening up. This makes the movie watcher want to see the sequel.
Let's now look at an example of sparking a tension loop, building it, closing it, and then opening up a new tension loop - but just a little bit.
A few days ago, after exchanging some light banter with a woman, I said to her, “You know…I don’t like you…”
She gave me a flabbergasted look and panted, “What!” (Being the attractive woman that she was, she had probably never had anyone say this to her before).
I had sparked a tension loop in her.
Next I made the tension loop bigger by saying, “I’m sorry, that probably came off wrong. Let me be more specific: I really don’t like you.”
Here I was making the tension loop larger: intensifying all of that unresolved emotional tension inside her. Now although this is very powerful, you do not want to create so much tension that she snaps -you do not want to PUSH her away completely. So the idea is to take her to the edge - or close to it. It is similar to kids blowing bubbles. They want to blow as much air into the bubble to ensure that it is as big as possible, but if they blow too much air into the bubble it will pop. This takes practice, and you really have to learn to observe how much emotional tension she is experiencing at any given moment.
Then I said to her, “And the reason I don’t like you is that you remind me of this girl Miranda whom I hated in the second grade. I hated her because she used to always beat me at hot hands (BTW, “hot hands” is a game that children play).
Then I challenged her to a game of hot hands, defeated her quickly, and gloated, “Yes…I am the winner, and, actually, I like you now…since you really stink at hot hands”.
Here I closed the tension loop by bringing resolution and release to her emotional tension. And then I opened a new loop - just a little bit - by telling her that she stinks at hot hands.
There is a lot of psychologically going on here. And in this newsletter I am only scratching the surface of what I am doing. I am going to do another newsletter soon, where I will go a lot deeper into the psychological mechanisms of tension loops.
But if you are really interested in mastering the techniques for triggering these underlying psychological mechanisms in women come visit me at:
http://www.realworldseduction.com
P.S.-If you have a question for me, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com _____________________________________________
Copyright 2004© Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved.
Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of
Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Thursday, October 14, 2004
How To Brag To Women…The Right Way
By Swinggcat - author of Real World Seduction
Hey Guys,
I’ve got a question for you: Does bragging to women work? If your answer is “yes,” you’re right. If your answer is “no,” keep reading – my rational might surprise you.
Fact: You can utilize, for example, money, successes, accomplishments, education, places you’ve traveled…and so on as powerful tools for succeeding with women. Women feel attraction towards men they perceive as a PRIZE. The more virtues, therefore, you can use to fuel the attraction fire inside a woman, the larger it will grow. If you feel you don’t have any virtues, don’t worry – you can still ATTRACT and succeed with heaps of beautiful women.
If you have these resources, though, start harnessing their power. Maybe you’re thinking, “I might impress younger, pedestrian women but touting my successes and accomplishments to older, more sophisticated and jaded women will cause them to have a blasé attitude toward me.”
This thinking is wrong and as you keep reading you’ll begin to realize why. Conveying a virtue of yours to women can turbo charge your success with them – whether it is a financial success or a personal accomplishment, an exotic place you’ve traveled or an interesting location you’ve lived, a level of education you’ve achieved or a novel talent you have. The problem is that the way most men brag turns women off.
But don’t worry – I’m going to teach you the right way to transpire your virtues to women.
Before I tell you this secret, I am going to share a little story with you that spawned the idea to write this article.
A few weeks ago I was talking to a friend of mine. The conversation started off friendly yet ended up turning into a proverbial Quaalude. If conversations had a taste or smell, this one would have reeked of foot and ass.
He started overtly bragging to me about all of the people he knew, money he had…and so on. After about twenty minutes of him boasting galore, I started to get quite bored. I felt like he was trying to get a job from me, presenting his résumé the best he could. It came across as a compendium of glib possessions and accomplishments devoid of any human experience. I was not impressed. Why? Is it that I’m jaded? No – because no matter how prodigious his accomplishments were, he couldn’t have impressed me.
Nothing, however, about the content of what he said turned me off. What irked me was the way he said it. The manner in which he bragged made him look desperate for approval from me. His need for validation appeared to be on life support. To put it mildly, I was turned off. Just imagine how much he turns women off.
What is the lesson to be learned? Bragging in a way that conveys a need for approval and validation turns women off – especially those who are educated, intelligent, and experienced. You could have the most impressive résumé in the world, but if you transpire it in a way that conveys your need for validation and approval, you’ll attract about as many women as you’d get bitten by vampires if you were covered in garlic – none.
Overt bragging to a woman will usually have one of two outcomes: She’ll either think you’re outright trying to manipulate her into seeing you in a certain light or she’ll think you’re trying to get her validation and approval. Both are bad and huge turn offs. When a woman is onto your overt bragging, the Meta-Frame or the underlying meaning of your interaction with her gets recontextualized as her being the PRIZE, not you. This is bad. As those of you who’ve studied my book know, women feel ATTRACTION toward men they see as the PRIZE.
What is the right way to transpire your virtues to women without coming across as manipulative or seeking their approval? This is the crux of the issue.
I’m going to share with you a method for doing this that has skyrocketed my own success with women.
The method involves story telling – a must have social skill for interacting with people and attracting women. If you are not confident using story telling while interacting with women and you have not yet begun studying my book, do so.
http://www.realworldseduction.com
Okay, here is the method. What I’ll do is use story telling to disclose a virtue about myself to her without conveying a single morsel of neediness for her validation or approval. The stories I tell are never about the virtue I’m intending to transpire. The virtue I want women to notice usually is either the context of the story or an ancillary detail about the story.
One of the examples I give of this in my book is a story about discovering, while traveling in Prague, that women are perverts. Although the main point of the story is that women are perverts, the context it takes place in is Prague, causing many women to infer that I’m well traveled. With this technique you’re able to transpire a virtue about yourself without coming across as needy or desperate for a woman’s approval. Learning to imply things, as opposed to overtly saying them, is a KEY element for making women actively listen and participate in a story you are telling.
A friend once argued against me: “If they’ve been to Eastern Europe, aren’t they going to feel blasé toward your experience.” My answer to this is a resounding “no!”
True, if they have had a similar experience to you, they aren’t likely to put you up on an unattainable pedestal floating on a golden cloud. They are, however, likely to feel a special bond to you, thinking that you are one of an exclusive few who’s had similar experiences to them.
This, my friend, is only the tip of the iceberg – I’ve developed many powerful strategies for transpiring your virtues without conveying neediness for approval or validation. I’m currently finishing up a new audio course where I’m going to reveal all of them to you. In my book, Real World Seduction, you’ll discover truckloads of powerful secrets and strategies, allowing you to transpire your virtues without looking needy. This is a key ingredient for making women see you as a PRIZE they yearn to be with. My book is currently the only body work available on the subject, giving you the foundation to start using these strategies immediately. Listen…if you know there is something simple you can do to immediately improve an area of your life, leading to more happiness and success, are you going to do it? I hope on the inside you’re thinking a resounding “yes.” As far as we know, we only live once. Don’t cheat yourself. Start right now learning and mastering the necessary skills to live your life to its full potential by grabbing a copy of my book today.
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Hey Guys,
I’ve got a question for you: Does bragging to women work? If your answer is “yes,” you’re right. If your answer is “no,” keep reading – my rational might surprise you.
Fact: You can utilize, for example, money, successes, accomplishments, education, places you’ve traveled…and so on as powerful tools for succeeding with women. Women feel attraction towards men they perceive as a PRIZE. The more virtues, therefore, you can use to fuel the attraction fire inside a woman, the larger it will grow. If you feel you don’t have any virtues, don’t worry – you can still ATTRACT and succeed with heaps of beautiful women.
If you have these resources, though, start harnessing their power. Maybe you’re thinking, “I might impress younger, pedestrian women but touting my successes and accomplishments to older, more sophisticated and jaded women will cause them to have a blasé attitude toward me.”
This thinking is wrong and as you keep reading you’ll begin to realize why. Conveying a virtue of yours to women can turbo charge your success with them – whether it is a financial success or a personal accomplishment, an exotic place you’ve traveled or an interesting location you’ve lived, a level of education you’ve achieved or a novel talent you have. The problem is that the way most men brag turns women off.
But don’t worry – I’m going to teach you the right way to transpire your virtues to women.
Before I tell you this secret, I am going to share a little story with you that spawned the idea to write this article.
A few weeks ago I was talking to a friend of mine. The conversation started off friendly yet ended up turning into a proverbial Quaalude. If conversations had a taste or smell, this one would have reeked of foot and ass.
He started overtly bragging to me about all of the people he knew, money he had…and so on. After about twenty minutes of him boasting galore, I started to get quite bored. I felt like he was trying to get a job from me, presenting his résumé the best he could. It came across as a compendium of glib possessions and accomplishments devoid of any human experience. I was not impressed. Why? Is it that I’m jaded? No – because no matter how prodigious his accomplishments were, he couldn’t have impressed me.
Nothing, however, about the content of what he said turned me off. What irked me was the way he said it. The manner in which he bragged made him look desperate for approval from me. His need for validation appeared to be on life support. To put it mildly, I was turned off. Just imagine how much he turns women off.
What is the lesson to be learned? Bragging in a way that conveys a need for approval and validation turns women off – especially those who are educated, intelligent, and experienced. You could have the most impressive résumé in the world, but if you transpire it in a way that conveys your need for validation and approval, you’ll attract about as many women as you’d get bitten by vampires if you were covered in garlic – none.
Overt bragging to a woman will usually have one of two outcomes: She’ll either think you’re outright trying to manipulate her into seeing you in a certain light or she’ll think you’re trying to get her validation and approval. Both are bad and huge turn offs. When a woman is onto your overt bragging, the Meta-Frame or the underlying meaning of your interaction with her gets recontextualized as her being the PRIZE, not you. This is bad. As those of you who’ve studied my book know, women feel ATTRACTION toward men they see as the PRIZE.
What is the right way to transpire your virtues to women without coming across as manipulative or seeking their approval? This is the crux of the issue.
I’m going to share with you a method for doing this that has skyrocketed my own success with women.
The method involves story telling – a must have social skill for interacting with people and attracting women. If you are not confident using story telling while interacting with women and you have not yet begun studying my book, do so.
http://www.realworldseduction.com
Okay, here is the method. What I’ll do is use story telling to disclose a virtue about myself to her without conveying a single morsel of neediness for her validation or approval. The stories I tell are never about the virtue I’m intending to transpire. The virtue I want women to notice usually is either the context of the story or an ancillary detail about the story.
One of the examples I give of this in my book is a story about discovering, while traveling in Prague, that women are perverts. Although the main point of the story is that women are perverts, the context it takes place in is Prague, causing many women to infer that I’m well traveled. With this technique you’re able to transpire a virtue about yourself without coming across as needy or desperate for a woman’s approval. Learning to imply things, as opposed to overtly saying them, is a KEY element for making women actively listen and participate in a story you are telling.
A friend once argued against me: “If they’ve been to Eastern Europe, aren’t they going to feel blasé toward your experience.” My answer to this is a resounding “no!”
True, if they have had a similar experience to you, they aren’t likely to put you up on an unattainable pedestal floating on a golden cloud. They are, however, likely to feel a special bond to you, thinking that you are one of an exclusive few who’s had similar experiences to them.
This, my friend, is only the tip of the iceberg – I’ve developed many powerful strategies for transpiring your virtues without conveying neediness for approval or validation. I’m currently finishing up a new audio course where I’m going to reveal all of them to you. In my book, Real World Seduction, you’ll discover truckloads of powerful secrets and strategies, allowing you to transpire your virtues without looking needy. This is a key ingredient for making women see you as a PRIZE they yearn to be with. My book is currently the only body work available on the subject, giving you the foundation to start using these strategies immediately. Listen…if you know there is something simple you can do to immediately improve an area of your life, leading to more happiness and success, are you going to do it? I hope on the inside you’re thinking a resounding “yes.” As far as we know, we only live once. Don’t cheat yourself. Start right now learning and mastering the necessary skills to live your life to its full potential by grabbing a copy of my book today.
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Sunday, October 10, 2004
This is how the game is played, boys…
by Swinggcat - author of Real World Seduction
This week I have a special treat for you. A few guys emailed me their wish lists of things they’d like me to write about. I swear, sometimes I feel like Santa! High on their lists was a request for a few real life examples of my techniques in action. My feeling is that the more examples you hear and read about, the deeper your understanding of my techniques will become. Put simply, Real World examples are awesome!
Those of you whom have had the Opportunity to read my book know that there is a Real World word-for-word example, taking you through the process, from meeting her to having sex with her a few hours later.
I have decided to include a report a guy sent in to me about him sleeping with a woman within a very short time span using my techniques. In this newsletter I am going to critique it by breaking down the techniques he used to get very sexual with this woman. I am really spoon feeding you some powerful knowledge for success with women. Putting something like this together, however, expends a lot of time and energy. If you benefit, though, my efforts are well worth it!
To really benefit from this, you need to have read my book. So, if you own my book but have not taken the opportunity to read it, Do!
If you haven’t gotten my book yet, you need to. By not having read my book you are depriving yourself of much of the benefits you could be getting from this newsletter. So, pick up a copy:
http://www.realworldseduction.com
Enjoy!!
“What's up man? I bought your book. I read it twice and have an excellent success story to tell you about...
My friend brought me to a bar in Scottsdale, AZ last weekend to meet up with this girl he's dating and her friend. Neither of us knew what to expect with "the friend" but when we got there, I had met her before. In fact, she was the girlfriend of a business partner of mine a few years back. She's 5'9", 120 pounds, brunette with the greenest eyes you could ever imagine. In short, a total hottie. I wanted her then, and you better believe I wanted her now. I made a "cool" attempt at reminding her of who I was and she managed to pretend like she couldn't remember. Nice - - a challenge! So we proceeded to sit down at a table and I ignored her completely at first. I paid particular attention to my friend and his girlfriend and angled my body language 45 degrees away from the other girl. After about 15 minutes she attempted to engage me by "recalling" things from the times we had previously met. I reframed her recollection as an attempt to pick me up, and that I don't associate myself with girls who aren't honest the first time. This got her REALLY interested, because I was increasing my prizability while basically calling her a liar for acting like she didn't remember me before. I waited until she starting leaning into me and then I angled myself toward her a little more. I then did a perfect cold-reading."
I know you come across as a cold-hearted bitch to most guys. But that's only because you haven't met your match yet. You haven't met a guy that could keep you in your place and make you realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. Well let me tell you something, that has all come to end right here and right now. You are about to experience something for the first time, and you're going to absolutely love it.". OMG dude. The look in her eyes was like nothing I've ever seen before. So I told her we were going for a walk. She followed me. I walked in front of her. Then I took her arm. Then I took her hand. Then I let go of her hand and walked in front of her again. Then I turned around, pulled her close to me and kissed her hard on the mouth. Then I pushed her away. She told me I was "evil" (I remember reading that in the final pages of your book -- so I KNEW I was doing all the right things). I stood there with my eyebrow cocked just looking at her like she had some kinda nerve calling me "evil". She came over to me and proceeded to kiss me like it was the last kiss she would ever have. I gave in for about 20 seconds, then gently pushed her away and told her that I am not a sex toy and I had no intention of sleeping with her (the sausage with feet line didn't feel right, so I went with another version). Then I said that our friends were waiting for us and proceeded to start to walk back to where they were sitting. She followed. We went to the new Devil's Martini which is a swanky dance club/bar in Scottsdale. I danced with her and just about every other woman in the club. I even tried to make her dance with other hot guys, but she wouldn't do it. She kept coming back to me and grinding on me. I started dancing on a raised platform where all the chicks could check me out and my friend's g/f came up to me and told me that I was so hot and she could tell that every woman in the place wanted me. Nice. But that is my belief anyway, so she was just affirming what I already knew. Finally I left the platform and walked away. My girl followed. I went to the bar. She followed. I went back to the dance floor. She followed. I went out on the patio and yes, she followed. So I figured by now I could have anything I wanted with her so I told her we were going back to her place. She made a weak attempt at saying that I had told her she wasn't having sex with me. I started turning away from her and said "Ok, you're totally right. Never mind.", but she spun me around, kissed me and dragged me out of the place, back to her Lexus and straight to her apartment where she proceeded to dance stripper style for me, give me some of the best oral sex ever and basically offer herself to me in any way that I chose.
Thanks for putting together such a great tutorial on how to be the prize. It really works great!” - J from LA
Wow! – this is some great stuff. Get out your note pad because we’re about to pull apart what J from LA did.
“She's 5'9", 120 pounds, brunette with the greenest eyes you could ever imagine. In short, a total hottie.”
J, don’t hesitate to email me her phone number. LOL
“I wanted her then, and you better believe I wanted her now. I made a "cool" attempt at reminding her of who I was and she managed to pretend like she couldn't remember. Nice - - a challenge!”
Notice J’s mindset: Even though he was probably lustier than a horny baboon, he didn’t place an absurd amount of value on her. When most men are interacting with a really beautiful woman, they put a huge amount of value on her. When she doesn’t respond in the way they hoped, they act like their life source has been cut off. When you treat a woman – especially when first getting to know her – as your source of life, you are putting yourself in a very compromising position.
It is next to impossible to establish yourself as the PRIZE when you put a huge value on a woman wanting, accepting, and validating you. It also conveys to her that your life is boring and that you are hoping she will fill the void of excitement in your life. Conveying this to women makes it unlikely that they will respond to you in a positive way. Train yourself not to act this way around women.
This is, of course, easier said than done. Simply put, even if we tell ourselves consciously to not do something, we often times find ourselves slipping back into the same old behavior. That’s why I extensively talk about frames and developing a strong belief system in my book. Learning about Frames and developing a strong Belief System are potent weapons to counteract this inertia.
If you haven’t read my book yet, something that might help is taking the mindset that if you don’t ATTRACT her, it is no big loss. If you do succeed at ATTRACTING her, then, if she’s lucky, she gets to be an addition to your already exciting life. This conveys to a woman that not getting her is of no big loss to you. Conveying this is a huge part of establishing Prizability: Defining yourself as having perceived value.
Furthermore, notice how in J’s reality the possibility of her rejecting him does not even exist. He, instead, interprets her ignoring him as a challenge.
“So we proceeded to sit down at a table and I ignored her completely at first. I paid particular attention to my friend and his girlfriend and angled my body language 45 degrees away from the other girl.”
J did the right thing. Why should he give a woman claiming not remember him attention? Think about it: If some four hundred pound woman, complete with wart on chin, a big hairy beard, and cheesy bread in hand, pretended to not remember you, you’d just ignore her, wouldn’t you?
Most men, however, would respond to a beautiful woman differently because they put a lot of value on her aesthetic appeal. But when you allow someone to disrespect you, it subtly conveys that you place more value on them than on yourself.
Start becoming conscious of your reactions to the way women treat you – especially women you’ve just met. Do your responses to being ill treated by women you’ve just met convey that you put a huge amount of value on them?
“After about 15 minutes she attempted to engage me by ‘recalling’ things from the times we had previously met. I reframed her recollection as an attempt to pick me up, and that I don't associate myself with girls who aren't honest the first time. This got her REALLY interested, because I was increasing my prizability while basically calling her a liar for acting like she didn't remember me before. ”
Interesting. Notice the shift. She went from not remembering him to recalling events from the previous time they’d met. When you refuse to tolerate mistreatment from a woman, conveying that you put more value on your standards, expectations of others, and yourself than on her beauty, oftentimes, she’ll end up perceiving you as a PRIZE she wants to win over.
“I then did a perfect cold-reading. ‘I know you come across as a cold-hearted bi*tch to most guys. But that's only because you haven't met your match yet. You haven't met a guy that could keep you in your place and make you realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. Well let me tell you something, that has all come to end right here and right now. You are about to experience something for the first time, and you're going to absolutely love it.’ OMG dude.
The look in her eyes was like nothing I've ever seen before.”
You might think this is a bit harsh but trust me – it’s actually quite powerful! This woman is probably used to men putting a lot of value on her, doing things on her terms, trying to live up to her expectations, giving her all of their power, causing them to get SUCKED INTO HER REALITY.
She is probably bored of guys getting easily sucked into her reality, and, possibly, bored of her own reality.
The underlying meaning of his cold reading to her was this: “I know you’re used to men getting sucked into your reality, but that ends RIGHT NOW, honey! Not only am I unwilling to get sucked into your reality, but your about to get sucked into my mine.”
Read what I just wrote again, because I gave away some really powerful info.
“So I told her we were going for a walk. She followed me.”
Of course she followed, she was sucked into his reality – and, I’m sure, loved every second of it!
“Then I turned around, pulled her close to me and kissed her hard on the mouth. Then I pushed her away. She told me I was "evil" (I remember reading that in the final pages of your book -- so I KNEW I was doing all the right things). I stood there with my eyebrow cocked just looking at her like she had some kinda nerve calling me "evil". She came over to me and proceeded to kiss me like it was the last kiss she would ever have.”
This is a nice execution of what in book I call “Physical Push-Pull.” This is a very powerful form of Prizing – making a woman want, and reach, and chase for more of you. There is a lot more to it than what I am going to discuss here. One important aspect is that by pushing a woman away from you while kissing her, you are creating a Tension Loop – creating unresolved emotional tension inside her, leaving her wondering: “How does he feel about me?…Does he like me?...Is ATTRACTED to me?...”…and so on.
This makes her want to bring resolution and closure to this emotional tension through trying to kiss you.
Another benefit to pushing a woman away – like J from LA did – is that it establishes the frame that she is in your REALITY doing things on your terms.
J was able to make this work because he had ALREADY SUCKED HER INTO HIS REALITY.
“I even tried to make her dance with other hot guys, but she wouldn't do it. She kept coming back to me and grinding on me.”
This is great. He is establishing himself as the Prize through conveying that it is no big deal if he loses her.
“Finally I left the platform and walked away. My girl followed. I went to the bar. She followed. I went back to the dance floor. She followed. I went out on the patio and yes, she followed.”
If you suck someone into your reality, it is very easy to do this.
“So I figured by now I could have anything I wanted with her so I told her we were going back to her place. She made a weak attempt at saying that I had told her she wasn't having sex with me. I started turning away from her and said "Ok, you're totally right. Never mind.", but she spun me around, kissed me and dragged me out of the place, back to her Lexus and straight to her apartment where she proceeded to dance stripper style for me, give me some of the best oral sex ever and basically offer herself to me in any way that I chose.”
Yes! – As soon as he conveyed that it was no loss to him if he didn’t sleep with her, she saw him as a Prize she wanted to sleep with.
J was able to accomplish all of this because he was able to establish that he was the Prize, get her emotionally wanting more of him, and successfully SUCK HER INTO HIS REALITY.
I don’t care if you are bald or short or fat or broke…or whatever it is you feel is preventing you from succeeding with women. ATTRACTION is not what a woman prefers or how she judges you. ATTRACTION is how she responds to you establishing yourself as the Prize combined with creating the emotion inside her of wanting and reaching for more of you. As long as you are able to establish yourself as the Prize, get them emotionally wanting more of you, and suck them into your reality, success with beautiful women is in your reach. If you are ready to master these skills and start ATTRACTING the women you desire, pick up a copy of my book today.
RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
This week I have a special treat for you. A few guys emailed me their wish lists of things they’d like me to write about. I swear, sometimes I feel like Santa! High on their lists was a request for a few real life examples of my techniques in action. My feeling is that the more examples you hear and read about, the deeper your understanding of my techniques will become. Put simply, Real World examples are awesome!
Those of you whom have had the Opportunity to read my book know that there is a Real World word-for-word example, taking you through the process, from meeting her to having sex with her a few hours later.
I have decided to include a report a guy sent in to me about him sleeping with a woman within a very short time span using my techniques. In this newsletter I am going to critique it by breaking down the techniques he used to get very sexual with this woman. I am really spoon feeding you some powerful knowledge for success with women. Putting something like this together, however, expends a lot of time and energy. If you benefit, though, my efforts are well worth it!
To really benefit from this, you need to have read my book. So, if you own my book but have not taken the opportunity to read it, Do!
If you haven’t gotten my book yet, you need to. By not having read my book you are depriving yourself of much of the benefits you could be getting from this newsletter. So, pick up a copy:
http://www.realworldseduction.com
Enjoy!!
“What's up man? I bought your book. I read it twice and have an excellent success story to tell you about...
My friend brought me to a bar in Scottsdale, AZ last weekend to meet up with this girl he's dating and her friend. Neither of us knew what to expect with "the friend" but when we got there, I had met her before. In fact, she was the girlfriend of a business partner of mine a few years back. She's 5'9", 120 pounds, brunette with the greenest eyes you could ever imagine. In short, a total hottie. I wanted her then, and you better believe I wanted her now. I made a "cool" attempt at reminding her of who I was and she managed to pretend like she couldn't remember. Nice - - a challenge! So we proceeded to sit down at a table and I ignored her completely at first. I paid particular attention to my friend and his girlfriend and angled my body language 45 degrees away from the other girl. After about 15 minutes she attempted to engage me by "recalling" things from the times we had previously met. I reframed her recollection as an attempt to pick me up, and that I don't associate myself with girls who aren't honest the first time. This got her REALLY interested, because I was increasing my prizability while basically calling her a liar for acting like she didn't remember me before. I waited until she starting leaning into me and then I angled myself toward her a little more. I then did a perfect cold-reading."
I know you come across as a cold-hearted bitch to most guys. But that's only because you haven't met your match yet. You haven't met a guy that could keep you in your place and make you realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. Well let me tell you something, that has all come to end right here and right now. You are about to experience something for the first time, and you're going to absolutely love it.". OMG dude. The look in her eyes was like nothing I've ever seen before. So I told her we were going for a walk. She followed me. I walked in front of her. Then I took her arm. Then I took her hand. Then I let go of her hand and walked in front of her again. Then I turned around, pulled her close to me and kissed her hard on the mouth. Then I pushed her away. She told me I was "evil" (I remember reading that in the final pages of your book -- so I KNEW I was doing all the right things). I stood there with my eyebrow cocked just looking at her like she had some kinda nerve calling me "evil". She came over to me and proceeded to kiss me like it was the last kiss she would ever have. I gave in for about 20 seconds, then gently pushed her away and told her that I am not a sex toy and I had no intention of sleeping with her (the sausage with feet line didn't feel right, so I went with another version). Then I said that our friends were waiting for us and proceeded to start to walk back to where they were sitting. She followed. We went to the new Devil's Martini which is a swanky dance club/bar in Scottsdale. I danced with her and just about every other woman in the club. I even tried to make her dance with other hot guys, but she wouldn't do it. She kept coming back to me and grinding on me. I started dancing on a raised platform where all the chicks could check me out and my friend's g/f came up to me and told me that I was so hot and she could tell that every woman in the place wanted me. Nice. But that is my belief anyway, so she was just affirming what I already knew. Finally I left the platform and walked away. My girl followed. I went to the bar. She followed. I went back to the dance floor. She followed. I went out on the patio and yes, she followed. So I figured by now I could have anything I wanted with her so I told her we were going back to her place. She made a weak attempt at saying that I had told her she wasn't having sex with me. I started turning away from her and said "Ok, you're totally right. Never mind.", but she spun me around, kissed me and dragged me out of the place, back to her Lexus and straight to her apartment where she proceeded to dance stripper style for me, give me some of the best oral sex ever and basically offer herself to me in any way that I chose.
Thanks for putting together such a great tutorial on how to be the prize. It really works great!” - J from LA
Wow! – this is some great stuff. Get out your note pad because we’re about to pull apart what J from LA did.
“She's 5'9", 120 pounds, brunette with the greenest eyes you could ever imagine. In short, a total hottie.”
J, don’t hesitate to email me her phone number. LOL
“I wanted her then, and you better believe I wanted her now. I made a "cool" attempt at reminding her of who I was and she managed to pretend like she couldn't remember. Nice - - a challenge!”
Notice J’s mindset: Even though he was probably lustier than a horny baboon, he didn’t place an absurd amount of value on her. When most men are interacting with a really beautiful woman, they put a huge amount of value on her. When she doesn’t respond in the way they hoped, they act like their life source has been cut off. When you treat a woman – especially when first getting to know her – as your source of life, you are putting yourself in a very compromising position.
It is next to impossible to establish yourself as the PRIZE when you put a huge value on a woman wanting, accepting, and validating you. It also conveys to her that your life is boring and that you are hoping she will fill the void of excitement in your life. Conveying this to women makes it unlikely that they will respond to you in a positive way. Train yourself not to act this way around women.
This is, of course, easier said than done. Simply put, even if we tell ourselves consciously to not do something, we often times find ourselves slipping back into the same old behavior. That’s why I extensively talk about frames and developing a strong belief system in my book. Learning about Frames and developing a strong Belief System are potent weapons to counteract this inertia.
If you haven’t read my book yet, something that might help is taking the mindset that if you don’t ATTRACT her, it is no big loss. If you do succeed at ATTRACTING her, then, if she’s lucky, she gets to be an addition to your already exciting life. This conveys to a woman that not getting her is of no big loss to you. Conveying this is a huge part of establishing Prizability: Defining yourself as having perceived value.
Furthermore, notice how in J’s reality the possibility of her rejecting him does not even exist. He, instead, interprets her ignoring him as a challenge.
“So we proceeded to sit down at a table and I ignored her completely at first. I paid particular attention to my friend and his girlfriend and angled my body language 45 degrees away from the other girl.”
J did the right thing. Why should he give a woman claiming not remember him attention? Think about it: If some four hundred pound woman, complete with wart on chin, a big hairy beard, and cheesy bread in hand, pretended to not remember you, you’d just ignore her, wouldn’t you?
Most men, however, would respond to a beautiful woman differently because they put a lot of value on her aesthetic appeal. But when you allow someone to disrespect you, it subtly conveys that you place more value on them than on yourself.
Start becoming conscious of your reactions to the way women treat you – especially women you’ve just met. Do your responses to being ill treated by women you’ve just met convey that you put a huge amount of value on them?
“After about 15 minutes she attempted to engage me by ‘recalling’ things from the times we had previously met. I reframed her recollection as an attempt to pick me up, and that I don't associate myself with girls who aren't honest the first time. This got her REALLY interested, because I was increasing my prizability while basically calling her a liar for acting like she didn't remember me before. ”
Interesting. Notice the shift. She went from not remembering him to recalling events from the previous time they’d met. When you refuse to tolerate mistreatment from a woman, conveying that you put more value on your standards, expectations of others, and yourself than on her beauty, oftentimes, she’ll end up perceiving you as a PRIZE she wants to win over.
“I then did a perfect cold-reading. ‘I know you come across as a cold-hearted bi*tch to most guys. But that's only because you haven't met your match yet. You haven't met a guy that could keep you in your place and make you realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. Well let me tell you something, that has all come to end right here and right now. You are about to experience something for the first time, and you're going to absolutely love it.’ OMG dude.
The look in her eyes was like nothing I've ever seen before.”
You might think this is a bit harsh but trust me – it’s actually quite powerful! This woman is probably used to men putting a lot of value on her, doing things on her terms, trying to live up to her expectations, giving her all of their power, causing them to get SUCKED INTO HER REALITY.
She is probably bored of guys getting easily sucked into her reality, and, possibly, bored of her own reality.
The underlying meaning of his cold reading to her was this: “I know you’re used to men getting sucked into your reality, but that ends RIGHT NOW, honey! Not only am I unwilling to get sucked into your reality, but your about to get sucked into my mine.”
Read what I just wrote again, because I gave away some really powerful info.
“So I told her we were going for a walk. She followed me.”
Of course she followed, she was sucked into his reality – and, I’m sure, loved every second of it!
“Then I turned around, pulled her close to me and kissed her hard on the mouth. Then I pushed her away. She told me I was "evil" (I remember reading that in the final pages of your book -- so I KNEW I was doing all the right things). I stood there with my eyebrow cocked just looking at her like she had some kinda nerve calling me "evil". She came over to me and proceeded to kiss me like it was the last kiss she would ever have.”
This is a nice execution of what in book I call “Physical Push-Pull.” This is a very powerful form of Prizing – making a woman want, and reach, and chase for more of you. There is a lot more to it than what I am going to discuss here. One important aspect is that by pushing a woman away from you while kissing her, you are creating a Tension Loop – creating unresolved emotional tension inside her, leaving her wondering: “How does he feel about me?…Does he like me?...Is ATTRACTED to me?...”…and so on.
This makes her want to bring resolution and closure to this emotional tension through trying to kiss you.
Another benefit to pushing a woman away – like J from LA did – is that it establishes the frame that she is in your REALITY doing things on your terms.
J was able to make this work because he had ALREADY SUCKED HER INTO HIS REALITY.
“I even tried to make her dance with other hot guys, but she wouldn't do it. She kept coming back to me and grinding on me.”
This is great. He is establishing himself as the Prize through conveying that it is no big deal if he loses her.
“Finally I left the platform and walked away. My girl followed. I went to the bar. She followed. I went back to the dance floor. She followed. I went out on the patio and yes, she followed.”
If you suck someone into your reality, it is very easy to do this.
“So I figured by now I could have anything I wanted with her so I told her we were going back to her place. She made a weak attempt at saying that I had told her she wasn't having sex with me. I started turning away from her and said "Ok, you're totally right. Never mind.", but she spun me around, kissed me and dragged me out of the place, back to her Lexus and straight to her apartment where she proceeded to dance stripper style for me, give me some of the best oral sex ever and basically offer herself to me in any way that I chose.”
Yes! – As soon as he conveyed that it was no loss to him if he didn’t sleep with her, she saw him as a Prize she wanted to sleep with.
J was able to accomplish all of this because he was able to establish that he was the Prize, get her emotionally wanting more of him, and successfully SUCK HER INTO HIS REALITY.
I don’t care if you are bald or short or fat or broke…or whatever it is you feel is preventing you from succeeding with women. ATTRACTION is not what a woman prefers or how she judges you. ATTRACTION is how she responds to you establishing yourself as the Prize combined with creating the emotion inside her of wanting and reaching for more of you. As long as you are able to establish yourself as the Prize, get them emotionally wanting more of you, and suck them into your reality, success with beautiful women is in your reach. If you are ready to master these skills and start ATTRACTING the women you desire, pick up a copy of my book today.
RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
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