Swinggcat - author of Real World Seduction
A few weeks ago I saw Trey Parker's movie, "Team America: World Police." The whole movie is done with marionette puppets. You might be scratching your head, wondering: "What in the world do marionette puppets have anything to do with increasing my success with women?" As you read on their importance will probably hit you harder than the bottom of a scolding frying pan bi*tch-slapping you against the center of your forehead.
Before I go any further, I've got two questions for you:
1) What kind of success would you realistically like to have with women?
2) When no one is watching, listening, or judging you, what type of success do you fantasize about having with women?
If you earnestly answered both questions, I'm willing to bet you came up with two very different answers. The second question reflects what you truly want; while the first question reflects what you want minus many of your desires society has programmed you to (1)believe you are incapable of having, achieving or experiencing, and (2)feel shame for wanting.
Cultural programming starts around the time we pop out of the womb. Whether it comes from family or friends, T.V. or newspapers...all ofthe above or something entirely different, we are conditioned to believe certain desires are not obtainable. Almost every guy at some point in his life has believed that due to his, for example, looks, weight, height, age, level of education, social status, financial success...and so on, he was incapable of succeeding with certain types of women he desired. In his reality, it was NOT possible.
A lot of guys, furthermore, are culturally conditioned to feel shame for desiring, for example, one night stands, no-strings-attached sex, women ten years younger than them or more,threesomes...and so on, fearing they'll be stigmatized as a player, pimp, or sleazy lounge-lizard.
Some guys will even sabotage a situation where a beautiful woman is massively attracted to them, all because they feel they don't deserve her.
You're probably allowing some form of social programming to HINDER your current success with women. Like a puppet master pulling the strings of a marionette, controlling what it does, our cultural programming pulls our strings, determining our destinies.
I'm going to share with you something that has helped me sever these strings, allowing me to break away from negative cultural programming and, thus, skyrocketing my success with women. This something is what I call: "Finding Your Selfish Zen."
Buddhists strive to reach Zen, an enlightened state of complete detachment from worldly desires and sense of self. I had similar aspirations in college, yet there was one childhood wish I failed to purge myself of. As a teenager I remember looking at my father's back issues of Playboy magazine, thinking: "I want to sleep with heaps of centerfolds, not because they're Mother Teresa incarnate but because they're super hot and look like bundles of debauching mirth." As time went on, this desire didn't ebb; instead, it lingered in my loins. If I was at the supermarket, dog park, beach, club, bar...or wherever and spotted a desirable woman who put, to borrow an idiom from Austin Powers, "the jumbo in my mojo," I wanted to sleep with her, then and there. No strings attached. Norelationship. I wanted to live it up, roman emperor style. Superficial, glib, licentious, lecherous, lewd, lascivious aren't the right words but they're the first ones that come to the collective mind of our culture.
Living out this desire, on the one hand, excited me. On the other hand, it was the ember in me I was trying to extinguish.
The strife within me ended the day I found my selfish Zen. I realized it didn't matter that I yearned to live out a fantasy. Was it superficial? Yes. Was it a result of too much exposure to media, conditioning me from when I was a little ejaculate to lust only after long legged brunettes and busty blondes? I dunno, probably. Was it something biologically hard wired into me? Maybe. Was living out my silly little wish a one-way ticket to life long happiness? Probably not.
The point is: You can live out your desires without playing by societies rules. You can have your cake and eat it too.
Am I against traditional relationships with women? Not at all. There have actually been times in my life where I have sought out and enjoyed traditional relationships.
The issue, however, I am trying to drive home is: Go after what you want with no excuses.
This, in fact, is one of the BIG KEYS to having massive success with women.
One thing I talk a lot about is having a strong intent, which is congruently:
1) Having the desire and the will to do what needs to be done to achieve a particular outcome.
2) Having the unwavering belief that you not only will achieve your intended outcome but also are entitled to obtaining it.
Having even a smattering of doubt, guilt or shame about your goals and desires with women will significantly decrease your success.
In my book you will learn and master the necessary skills and understandings for purging yourself of any doubt, guilt or shame, allowing you to develop a powerful intent. When you couple this with the hundreds of Real-World, Field-Tested, Easy-To-Master secrets you will discover in my book it is inevitable that yoursuccess with women will exponentially balloon. Many other dating experts will tell you: "If you're not good looking, rich, famous or lumbered with an elephant sized trunk between your legs, you've got little chance succeeding with women you truly desire and, therefore, are better off going for someone in your league." This is crap. These people are so steeped in bad cultural programming it's not even funny. I believe you are capable of much much more. Imagine for a second just how much your success with women will soar once you have mastered the skills to purge yourself of everysmidgen of doubt, guilt, and shame. Start making the limits of your possibilities with women nothing short of your imagination, bypicking up a copy of Real World Seduction today.
http://www.realworldseduction.com
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S.-If you have a success story you would like to share, or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would like to make, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last name. And include the country, state/province, and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to this email, because I won't get it!
Thanks!
_________________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved. Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of Superior Living Inc.
Friday, November 05, 2004
Wednesday, November 03, 2004
Male Coquetting & Seductive Body Language…
I recently saw a 1965 film called, “The Knack...And How to Get It.” Basically it’s about a guy taking lessons from a master ladies man on getting women. The movie has some masterful examples of male coquetting and seductive body language. Check it out! You’ll learn a lot.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Tuesday, November 02, 2004
How An Overweight, Unattractive Guy Seduced And Attracted A Model He Had Just Met At a Trendy Night Club Into Playing Tonsil Hockey With Him…
By Swinggcat- author of RealWorldSeduction
Hey Guys,
A while back someone emailed me a great success story. I saved it on my computer and forgot about it. Last week I was going through my computer and found it. I thought, “Wow! - this is a really great story,” and was planning on using it in my last newsletter. But, then, as I was reading through it, I thought to myself, “there is so much good stuff going on here, I could do a whole newsletter on it.” And that’s exactly what I’m doing. Enjoy!
“Hey Swinggcat! There once was a time when I would walk into a bar, look at all the beautiful women having fun with guys who were NOT me, and get depressed. So I’d start drinking, and that would only make me more depressed. Eventually I’d go home alone, hating the world, hating women, and most of all, hating myself for not even TRYING to have fun.
Bars and clubs can be an intimidating environment. Until recently, it wasn’t in my reality to believe that I could actually make out with a girl in either location. Sure, I’d seen guys do it before, but to think that *I* could was just beyond any logical reasoning my mind could grasp.
But in reading through Swinggcat’s book, there was a chapter that really stuck out at me. That was the chapter on FRAMES. As Swinggcat defines it, a frame determines the underlying meaning of behaviors and actions.
I’ve found this is a *key* concept in understanding any interaction with women.
When you enter a situation you may feel uncomfortable with, the natural inclination is to be overwhelmed by the FRAME your environment presents. If you allow this to happen, you effectively give up any control over your behaviors and actions. This is the worst possible thing you can do if you are hoping to meet the girl of your dreams. Controlling your FRAME, and setting the right FRAME, as opposed to adopting the FRAMES presented to you, is the most powerful tool there is in getting a woman.
Allow me to demonstrate what I mean.
I was recently in a very trendy club in Los Angeles. It was the kind with some low level celebrities, some incredibly beautiful women, some incredibly rich men, sexy go-go dancers swinging around on poles, trendy techno music, and tastefully pornographic movies projected on the walls. In short: IT WAS THE MOST INTIMIDATING ENVIRONMENT KNOWN TO MAN!
So there I am, a guy who’s about 50 lbs. overweight, who’s bald, and who makes $30 Grand a year, hob-knobbing with models and porno stars. And wouldn’t you know it, the same feeling I got when I went to a bar in the past began to creep up on me. But because I was able to understand the concept of controlling my FRAME, I was able to do something amazing.
I set the frame that I’m having a good time, that all the girls in the club liked me, and that I was going to have fun with them. Before long, I found myself in a conversation with a beautiful girl who is a model. In fact, she told me she’s going to be on the next season of “America’s Next Top Model.” Because I approached her with a strong frame of having fun and that I was the PRIZE, she was very responsive to me. She eventually got dragged away by some friends (as is apt to happen in clubs). But later on, I saw her talking to a group of guys who were obviously trying to hit on her.
But because my frame was so strong, I walked up to the group, took her by the hand, and literally LEAD her onto the dance floor, away from all the moes she was talking to, who watched in stunned silence and a poor, bald, fat guy grinded away with this amazing girl in front of them. And not only that – SHE WAS INTO IT!
So there I am, body pressed up against this girl, having the best time in the world, and I think to myself “I should make out with her!”
So I did. I grabbed her and planted one right on her lips. And not only did she react well, but she reciprocated! Before long, our tongues were in a fencing match with each other, and I was the envy of about 78% of the club. It was a reality shattering experience for me, because until that point, the only place I’d ever made out with a girl was either in my car or in the bedroom after about 3 or 4 dates.
So what was different? The answer: My Frame! I set the frame where I was the PRIZE, where she was trying to win ME over, and where she wants me so bad that she WANTED to make-out with me. And because I set the strong frame, the model I was with WENT ALONG WITH IT! Now, I can now go into a club without that sinking feeling of depression dragging me down, because I know it is possible to not only have fun, but to meet any girl I want and make-out with her! You just gotta have the right frame.
Thanks Swinggcat!”
- M from Pasadena
My response:
Damn! – talk about a geek to sheik story. This guy went from “classified gimp” to “certified pimp.” What was is it that allowed him to do this? The sole enabling factor was this: He understood the power of ESTABLISHING himself as the PRIZE when interacting with women. In my book I call this PRIZABILITY.
As those of you who have been following my newsletters and have read my book know: ATTRACTION is not what a woman prefers. ATTRACTION is creating the emotion inside a woman of wanting, reaching for more of you. The art of creating this emotion inside women is what call PRIZING.
You cannot, however, create the emotion in a woman of her wanting and reaching for more of you if she does not perceive you as being the PRIZE. Put in other words, before you can ATTRACT her, you need to set the groundwork that you are the PRIZE. You can’t make a woman want more of you if she does not view you as having any perceived value.
Even having good looks and lots of money, in and of themselves, doesn’t necessarily suffice in establishing that you are the PRIZE with women.
A more efficient way of ESTABLISHING yourself as the PRIZE is through developing specific social skills. Learning to, for example, tell stories, cold read, be intriguing, develop your sense of humor…and so on. I do all of these things, and, in fact, I teach them in my book.
RealWorldSeduction
The most powerful way, however, to establish PRIZABILITY is to ALWAYS define the underlying meaning of your interactions with women as you being the one who is the PRIZE. In my book I call this the META-FRAME.
In fact, all of the other methods for establishing PRIZABILITY- such as, telling stories, cold reading, being intriguing, saying something funny…and so on – only work in conjunction with you defining the META-FRAME as you being the PRIZE.
If you are doing a bunch of things to try to establish your PRIZABILITY with a woman – such as, story telling and acting funny – but you are not defining the underlying meaning of your interaction with her as you being the one who is the PRIZE, you will, unknowingly, establish negative PRIZABILITY.
Put in other words, doing or saying things to increase your PRIZABILTY within the context – or META-FRAME - of you not being the PRIZE will inevitably make you look needy, pathetic, and desperate.
Before learning anything else about dating or ATTRACTING women, you need to know how to ESTABLISH the META-FRAME that you are the PRIZE in the interaction. Even if you have all of the social skills in the world, without knowing how to set the META-FRAME your skills are worthless when comes to ATTRACTING women. If you do not yet have a handle on this, you need to read my book, RealWorldSeduction .
When you are fat, bald, and broke, like M from Pasadena, a woman’s default assumption is probably going to be that you are not the PRIZE. To make matters worse, your default assumption about yourself might be that you aren’t the PRIZE.
As M from Pasadena tells us: “When you enter a situation you may feel uncomfortable with, the natural inclination is to be overwhelmed by the FRAME your environment presents. If you allow this to happen, you effectively give up any control over your behaviors and actions. This is the worst possible thing you can do if you are hoping to meet the girl of your dreams. Controlling your FRAME, and setting the right FRAME, as opposed to adopting the FRAMES presented to you, is the most powerful tool there is in getting a woman.”
M refuses to allow society, his environment, and the people he is around to dictate his FRAME and META-FRAME.
Just doing this can establish PRIZABILITY because it conveys to women that you are in control of your power, have a strong sense of self, and have an unswayable REALITY. These are all qualities women find PRIZABLE in men.
M continues: “I set the frame where I was the PRIZE, where she was trying to win ME over, and where she wants me so bad that she WANTED to make-out with me. And because I set the strong frame, the model I was with WENT ALONG WITH IT! Now, I can now go into a club without that sinking feeling of depression dragging me down, because I know it is possible to not only have fun, but to meet any girl I want and make-out with her! You just gotta have the right frame.”
Let’s remember, he didn’t play tonsil hockey with just any girl, he did it with a woman who is going to be on the next season of “America’s Next Top Model.” And he was able to do this in spite of being fat, bald, and broke – all because he established the META-FRAME that he is the PRIZE.
When you ASSUME that you have perceived value, and KNOW how to establish the META-FRAME that you are the PRIZE, women will see you as a PRIZE they want to win over – and it doesn’t matter if you’re fat, or bald or broke…or whatever. If, however, you are good looking and rich yet do not have the skill set for establishing the META-FRAME that you are the PRIZE, your success with women will be mediocre at best. That’s how important the META-FRAME is. With some guys, it almost seems like they were born with it. Not me. I had to learn how to establish the META-FRAME through a lot of experimenting and hard work. If you want to save yourself truck loads of time, come check out my book and learn how to establish the META-FRAME within a few hours:
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S. – I recently started an affiliate program where I am giving high commissions on sales generated by my affiliates. So, if you have been enjoying my book and newsletters, and you run a website where you think your visitors would be interested in my book, sign up for my affiliate program.
http://realworldseduction.directtrack.com
P.S.S.-If you have a success story you would like to
share, or a question you would like to ask, or a
comment you would like to make, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last
name. And include the country, state/province,
and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you
know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to
this email, because I won't get it!
Thanks!
______________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved.
Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of
Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Hey Guys,
A while back someone emailed me a great success story. I saved it on my computer and forgot about it. Last week I was going through my computer and found it. I thought, “Wow! - this is a really great story,” and was planning on using it in my last newsletter. But, then, as I was reading through it, I thought to myself, “there is so much good stuff going on here, I could do a whole newsletter on it.” And that’s exactly what I’m doing. Enjoy!
“Hey Swinggcat! There once was a time when I would walk into a bar, look at all the beautiful women having fun with guys who were NOT me, and get depressed. So I’d start drinking, and that would only make me more depressed. Eventually I’d go home alone, hating the world, hating women, and most of all, hating myself for not even TRYING to have fun.
Bars and clubs can be an intimidating environment. Until recently, it wasn’t in my reality to believe that I could actually make out with a girl in either location. Sure, I’d seen guys do it before, but to think that *I* could was just beyond any logical reasoning my mind could grasp.
But in reading through Swinggcat’s book, there was a chapter that really stuck out at me. That was the chapter on FRAMES. As Swinggcat defines it, a frame determines the underlying meaning of behaviors and actions.
I’ve found this is a *key* concept in understanding any interaction with women.
When you enter a situation you may feel uncomfortable with, the natural inclination is to be overwhelmed by the FRAME your environment presents. If you allow this to happen, you effectively give up any control over your behaviors and actions. This is the worst possible thing you can do if you are hoping to meet the girl of your dreams. Controlling your FRAME, and setting the right FRAME, as opposed to adopting the FRAMES presented to you, is the most powerful tool there is in getting a woman.
Allow me to demonstrate what I mean.
I was recently in a very trendy club in Los Angeles. It was the kind with some low level celebrities, some incredibly beautiful women, some incredibly rich men, sexy go-go dancers swinging around on poles, trendy techno music, and tastefully pornographic movies projected on the walls. In short: IT WAS THE MOST INTIMIDATING ENVIRONMENT KNOWN TO MAN!
So there I am, a guy who’s about 50 lbs. overweight, who’s bald, and who makes $30 Grand a year, hob-knobbing with models and porno stars. And wouldn’t you know it, the same feeling I got when I went to a bar in the past began to creep up on me. But because I was able to understand the concept of controlling my FRAME, I was able to do something amazing.
I set the frame that I’m having a good time, that all the girls in the club liked me, and that I was going to have fun with them. Before long, I found myself in a conversation with a beautiful girl who is a model. In fact, she told me she’s going to be on the next season of “America’s Next Top Model.” Because I approached her with a strong frame of having fun and that I was the PRIZE, she was very responsive to me. She eventually got dragged away by some friends (as is apt to happen in clubs). But later on, I saw her talking to a group of guys who were obviously trying to hit on her.
But because my frame was so strong, I walked up to the group, took her by the hand, and literally LEAD her onto the dance floor, away from all the moes she was talking to, who watched in stunned silence and a poor, bald, fat guy grinded away with this amazing girl in front of them. And not only that – SHE WAS INTO IT!
So there I am, body pressed up against this girl, having the best time in the world, and I think to myself “I should make out with her!”
So I did. I grabbed her and planted one right on her lips. And not only did she react well, but she reciprocated! Before long, our tongues were in a fencing match with each other, and I was the envy of about 78% of the club. It was a reality shattering experience for me, because until that point, the only place I’d ever made out with a girl was either in my car or in the bedroom after about 3 or 4 dates.
So what was different? The answer: My Frame! I set the frame where I was the PRIZE, where she was trying to win ME over, and where she wants me so bad that she WANTED to make-out with me. And because I set the strong frame, the model I was with WENT ALONG WITH IT! Now, I can now go into a club without that sinking feeling of depression dragging me down, because I know it is possible to not only have fun, but to meet any girl I want and make-out with her! You just gotta have the right frame.
Thanks Swinggcat!”
- M from Pasadena
My response:
Damn! – talk about a geek to sheik story. This guy went from “classified gimp” to “certified pimp.” What was is it that allowed him to do this? The sole enabling factor was this: He understood the power of ESTABLISHING himself as the PRIZE when interacting with women. In my book I call this PRIZABILITY.
As those of you who have been following my newsletters and have read my book know: ATTRACTION is not what a woman prefers. ATTRACTION is creating the emotion inside a woman of wanting, reaching for more of you. The art of creating this emotion inside women is what call PRIZING.
You cannot, however, create the emotion in a woman of her wanting and reaching for more of you if she does not perceive you as being the PRIZE. Put in other words, before you can ATTRACT her, you need to set the groundwork that you are the PRIZE. You can’t make a woman want more of you if she does not view you as having any perceived value.
Even having good looks and lots of money, in and of themselves, doesn’t necessarily suffice in establishing that you are the PRIZE with women.
A more efficient way of ESTABLISHING yourself as the PRIZE is through developing specific social skills. Learning to, for example, tell stories, cold read, be intriguing, develop your sense of humor…and so on. I do all of these things, and, in fact, I teach them in my book.
RealWorldSeduction
The most powerful way, however, to establish PRIZABILITY is to ALWAYS define the underlying meaning of your interactions with women as you being the one who is the PRIZE. In my book I call this the META-FRAME.
In fact, all of the other methods for establishing PRIZABILITY- such as, telling stories, cold reading, being intriguing, saying something funny…and so on – only work in conjunction with you defining the META-FRAME as you being the PRIZE.
If you are doing a bunch of things to try to establish your PRIZABILITY with a woman – such as, story telling and acting funny – but you are not defining the underlying meaning of your interaction with her as you being the one who is the PRIZE, you will, unknowingly, establish negative PRIZABILITY.
Put in other words, doing or saying things to increase your PRIZABILTY within the context – or META-FRAME - of you not being the PRIZE will inevitably make you look needy, pathetic, and desperate.
Before learning anything else about dating or ATTRACTING women, you need to know how to ESTABLISH the META-FRAME that you are the PRIZE in the interaction. Even if you have all of the social skills in the world, without knowing how to set the META-FRAME your skills are worthless when comes to ATTRACTING women. If you do not yet have a handle on this, you need to read my book, RealWorldSeduction .
When you are fat, bald, and broke, like M from Pasadena, a woman’s default assumption is probably going to be that you are not the PRIZE. To make matters worse, your default assumption about yourself might be that you aren’t the PRIZE.
As M from Pasadena tells us: “When you enter a situation you may feel uncomfortable with, the natural inclination is to be overwhelmed by the FRAME your environment presents. If you allow this to happen, you effectively give up any control over your behaviors and actions. This is the worst possible thing you can do if you are hoping to meet the girl of your dreams. Controlling your FRAME, and setting the right FRAME, as opposed to adopting the FRAMES presented to you, is the most powerful tool there is in getting a woman.”
M refuses to allow society, his environment, and the people he is around to dictate his FRAME and META-FRAME.
Just doing this can establish PRIZABILITY because it conveys to women that you are in control of your power, have a strong sense of self, and have an unswayable REALITY. These are all qualities women find PRIZABLE in men.
M continues: “I set the frame where I was the PRIZE, where she was trying to win ME over, and where she wants me so bad that she WANTED to make-out with me. And because I set the strong frame, the model I was with WENT ALONG WITH IT! Now, I can now go into a club without that sinking feeling of depression dragging me down, because I know it is possible to not only have fun, but to meet any girl I want and make-out with her! You just gotta have the right frame.”
Let’s remember, he didn’t play tonsil hockey with just any girl, he did it with a woman who is going to be on the next season of “America’s Next Top Model.” And he was able to do this in spite of being fat, bald, and broke – all because he established the META-FRAME that he is the PRIZE.
When you ASSUME that you have perceived value, and KNOW how to establish the META-FRAME that you are the PRIZE, women will see you as a PRIZE they want to win over – and it doesn’t matter if you’re fat, or bald or broke…or whatever. If, however, you are good looking and rich yet do not have the skill set for establishing the META-FRAME that you are the PRIZE, your success with women will be mediocre at best. That’s how important the META-FRAME is. With some guys, it almost seems like they were born with it. Not me. I had to learn how to establish the META-FRAME through a lot of experimenting and hard work. If you want to save yourself truck loads of time, come check out my book and learn how to establish the META-FRAME within a few hours:
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S. – I recently started an affiliate program where I am giving high commissions on sales generated by my affiliates. So, if you have been enjoying my book and newsletters, and you run a website where you think your visitors would be interested in my book, sign up for my affiliate program.
http://realworldseduction.directtrack.com
P.S.S.-If you have a success story you would like to
share, or a question you would like to ask, or a
comment you would like to make, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last
name. And include the country, state/province,
and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you
know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to
this email, because I won't get it!
Thanks!
______________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved.
Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of
Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Monday, November 01, 2004
Forbidden Attraction & Seduction Secret To Getting Past Women’s Sexual Defenses…Most Women Don’t Want You To Know…
By Swinggcat- author of RealWorldSeduction
Hey guys,
I want to share a secret with you that will blow your mind. Warning: When you first hear this secret you might feel a bit disconcerted. If you already have truck loads of experience with women you might think to yourself, “Wow…someone else knows about this too!” If you are a woman reading this, you might say to yourself, “No! – Now the male world is going to be privy to the truth.”
Most guys who have at least some experience in the “dating game” have encountered women who were ATTRACTED to them but would not kiss them. Almost a hundred percent of the time men respond to this barrier in the same way, as if they were one person with one brain. They think that if a woman won’t kiss them, she will not have sex with them.
They assume to get sexual with her they need to kiss her first, and to kiss her they need to build an emotional connection with her. Sometimes it’s important to build an emotional connection, making her feel comfortable with you, before getting sexual with her. Other times, however, it’s not.
There are situations where trying to kiss a woman or build an emotional connection with a woman will actually deter you from having sex with her. Most men, however, are incompetent with a dash of stupidity in these situations. This is because men’s minds are designed to process information in a logical and linear way. Women’s emotions, however, don’t work in a linear fashion.
Men intuitively think that in order to sleep with a woman they have to go through a linear sequence of steps. When women put up resistance, many men construe it as a barrier they must break down to progress to the next step. This usually ensues in more resistance.
So this begs the question: “What is the secret way, Swinggcat, for handling women who like you but will not kiss you?”
I discovered this secret many years ago while out one night with this woman who is lumbered with one of the most perfect bodies I have ever seen. She was wearing low cut jeans. As she walked her jeans began to slip down, down down they slipped, down around the cheeks of her rear, a perfect rim of thing, held up by the crotch of her pants. Not only was I aroused, but focused on my goal: To score with this luscious babe. I managed to get her into my bedroom. We sat and talked on my bed. I remember she was wearing this low cut top. “She’s really working those breasts in there, bouncy bouncy,” I thought to myself. We started to cuddle. I was aroused – indeed. I went in for the kill, smacking my lips against hers. I was, however, unpleasantly surprised as she pushed me away. I made a few tragic tries at connecting with her. Then made a few more frustrating attempts at kissing her but she kept pushing me away. This started to put my teeth on edge. To ease the frustration I started daydreaming about a hot bath, an all you can eat buffet …and something to keep me going – a picture of myself on a king size bed with two really hot girls, them kissing each other, me kissing them. Then I drifted back to reality, and started to agonize: “It’s going to be impossible to get this girl to kiss me.”
“To ease my mind,” I thought, “I will try something so impossible that I won’t even be able to agonize over it succeeding. I am going to attempt to have sex with her without even kissing her.” So, this is what I did: I spooned her from behind, started rubbing her thighs, lowered her pants, and started stimulating her with my fingers. This ensued in sex.
Here’s what’s weird: Afterwards I tried to kiss her, but she pushed me away. Since then I have realized that many women will have sex with a man, despite their disinclination to get intimate with him.
This, my friends, is the crux of the issue: Just because a woman resists being intimate with you, doesn’t mean she is not open to having sex with you. And sometimes trying to emotionally connect with a woman will only make her resist more.
Am I saying that all women don’t want an emotional connection? Not at all – many do. There are, however, a lot women who are not open to having an emotional connection with a stranger – maybe, for example, they are married, or have been hurt in a past relationship, or have a hard time trusting people they don’t know well – yet they are open to having sex with one.
There are, furthermore, a number of women in committed relationships who are open to having sex with strangers, yet will not kiss them. “This is because ‘kissing’ is meaningful, while sex is just sex,” to quote female friend of mine. Her words voice the sentiments of part of the female population. This is not something I endorse. It is important, however, to be aware that this is the reality of some women.
The moral of the lesson is this: Attracting women is not always a linear process. Although a lot of women need to feel comfortable and have an emotional connection with a man before sleeping with him, other females flee from these emotional connections. So, if you find yourself confronted with a barrier, back up and assess the sort of woman you are dealing with before proceeding further.
Being able to handle these barriers comes down to knowing how to set strong frames, and read women. Both of these subjects are covered in my book. I’m getting ready to release a ton of mind shattering material. To benefit the most from it, you need to have read my book. So, if you haven’t taken the chance to pick up a copy, do so today.
RealWorldSeduction
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Mailbag:
Comments:
Dude if we ever meet I owe you dinner. I used to be so shy talking to chicks at clubs. Your book has really changed that. I used your qualifying and challenging technique to make out with a hotty in a bar for the first time. Swinggcat, you da man!
A from Texas
My Comments:
Hearing this makes me feel that all of my effort is worth while. I would love to use this as a testimonial on my webpage – cool? Keep up the good work.
Comments:
Swinggcat,
Greetings. Thanks for sending the book. It is outstanding and I am learning something each time I refer to it. Also, great job at the *** Mastery conference. Your presentation was outstanding!
- J from the military
My Comments:
Thank you. Did we have a chance to talk at the seminar?
Question:
hi there…i have been having some good success with your meta intent exercise from your charisma newsletter. I have always had a hard time getting really good looking girl to keep talking to me. but since doing the exercise they don’t want to leave me. they just keep wanting stay longer. but I want to turn it physical. how do I do that?
My Comments:
Good job on doing the Meta-Intent exercise. I’m going to go out on a limb, though, and guess that you haven’t read my book – am I right?
In my book I describe in great detail how to go from talking to a woman to getting physical with her. This is a subject that is almost entirely neglected by other dating experts. One of the specific techniques I talk about in my book is “physical push-pull.” This is when you “physically” pull a woman into you, and then “physically” push her away from you. Doing this emotionally compels women to WANT to get physical with you. Mastering this one skill - no matter what your skill with women currently is - will increase your success with women by a minimum of 50%.
My book is probably the only place on the planet where you can learn physical push-pull. So, take your success with women to the next level by picking up a copy today.
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S.-If you have a success story you would like to share, or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would like to make, please email me at swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last name. And include the country, state/province, and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to this email, because I won't get it! Thanks!
_________________________________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved. Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Hey guys,
I want to share a secret with you that will blow your mind. Warning: When you first hear this secret you might feel a bit disconcerted. If you already have truck loads of experience with women you might think to yourself, “Wow…someone else knows about this too!” If you are a woman reading this, you might say to yourself, “No! – Now the male world is going to be privy to the truth.”
Most guys who have at least some experience in the “dating game” have encountered women who were ATTRACTED to them but would not kiss them. Almost a hundred percent of the time men respond to this barrier in the same way, as if they were one person with one brain. They think that if a woman won’t kiss them, she will not have sex with them.
They assume to get sexual with her they need to kiss her first, and to kiss her they need to build an emotional connection with her. Sometimes it’s important to build an emotional connection, making her feel comfortable with you, before getting sexual with her. Other times, however, it’s not.
There are situations where trying to kiss a woman or build an emotional connection with a woman will actually deter you from having sex with her. Most men, however, are incompetent with a dash of stupidity in these situations. This is because men’s minds are designed to process information in a logical and linear way. Women’s emotions, however, don’t work in a linear fashion.
Men intuitively think that in order to sleep with a woman they have to go through a linear sequence of steps. When women put up resistance, many men construe it as a barrier they must break down to progress to the next step. This usually ensues in more resistance.
So this begs the question: “What is the secret way, Swinggcat, for handling women who like you but will not kiss you?”
I discovered this secret many years ago while out one night with this woman who is lumbered with one of the most perfect bodies I have ever seen. She was wearing low cut jeans. As she walked her jeans began to slip down, down down they slipped, down around the cheeks of her rear, a perfect rim of thing, held up by the crotch of her pants. Not only was I aroused, but focused on my goal: To score with this luscious babe. I managed to get her into my bedroom. We sat and talked on my bed. I remember she was wearing this low cut top. “She’s really working those breasts in there, bouncy bouncy,” I thought to myself. We started to cuddle. I was aroused – indeed. I went in for the kill, smacking my lips against hers. I was, however, unpleasantly surprised as she pushed me away. I made a few tragic tries at connecting with her. Then made a few more frustrating attempts at kissing her but she kept pushing me away. This started to put my teeth on edge. To ease the frustration I started daydreaming about a hot bath, an all you can eat buffet …and something to keep me going – a picture of myself on a king size bed with two really hot girls, them kissing each other, me kissing them. Then I drifted back to reality, and started to agonize: “It’s going to be impossible to get this girl to kiss me.”
“To ease my mind,” I thought, “I will try something so impossible that I won’t even be able to agonize over it succeeding. I am going to attempt to have sex with her without even kissing her.” So, this is what I did: I spooned her from behind, started rubbing her thighs, lowered her pants, and started stimulating her with my fingers. This ensued in sex.
Here’s what’s weird: Afterwards I tried to kiss her, but she pushed me away. Since then I have realized that many women will have sex with a man, despite their disinclination to get intimate with him.
This, my friends, is the crux of the issue: Just because a woman resists being intimate with you, doesn’t mean she is not open to having sex with you. And sometimes trying to emotionally connect with a woman will only make her resist more.
Am I saying that all women don’t want an emotional connection? Not at all – many do. There are, however, a lot women who are not open to having an emotional connection with a stranger – maybe, for example, they are married, or have been hurt in a past relationship, or have a hard time trusting people they don’t know well – yet they are open to having sex with one.
There are, furthermore, a number of women in committed relationships who are open to having sex with strangers, yet will not kiss them. “This is because ‘kissing’ is meaningful, while sex is just sex,” to quote female friend of mine. Her words voice the sentiments of part of the female population. This is not something I endorse. It is important, however, to be aware that this is the reality of some women.
The moral of the lesson is this: Attracting women is not always a linear process. Although a lot of women need to feel comfortable and have an emotional connection with a man before sleeping with him, other females flee from these emotional connections. So, if you find yourself confronted with a barrier, back up and assess the sort of woman you are dealing with before proceeding further.
Being able to handle these barriers comes down to knowing how to set strong frames, and read women. Both of these subjects are covered in my book. I’m getting ready to release a ton of mind shattering material. To benefit the most from it, you need to have read my book. So, if you haven’t taken the chance to pick up a copy, do so today.
RealWorldSeduction
********************************************
Mailbag:
Comments:
Dude if we ever meet I owe you dinner. I used to be so shy talking to chicks at clubs. Your book has really changed that. I used your qualifying and challenging technique to make out with a hotty in a bar for the first time. Swinggcat, you da man!
A from Texas
My Comments:
Hearing this makes me feel that all of my effort is worth while. I would love to use this as a testimonial on my webpage – cool? Keep up the good work.
Comments:
Swinggcat,
Greetings. Thanks for sending the book. It is outstanding and I am learning something each time I refer to it. Also, great job at the *** Mastery conference. Your presentation was outstanding!
- J from the military
My Comments:
Thank you. Did we have a chance to talk at the seminar?
Question:
hi there…i have been having some good success with your meta intent exercise from your charisma newsletter. I have always had a hard time getting really good looking girl to keep talking to me. but since doing the exercise they don’t want to leave me. they just keep wanting stay longer. but I want to turn it physical. how do I do that?
My Comments:
Good job on doing the Meta-Intent exercise. I’m going to go out on a limb, though, and guess that you haven’t read my book – am I right?
In my book I describe in great detail how to go from talking to a woman to getting physical with her. This is a subject that is almost entirely neglected by other dating experts. One of the specific techniques I talk about in my book is “physical push-pull.” This is when you “physically” pull a woman into you, and then “physically” push her away from you. Doing this emotionally compels women to WANT to get physical with you. Mastering this one skill - no matter what your skill with women currently is - will increase your success with women by a minimum of 50%.
My book is probably the only place on the planet where you can learn physical push-pull. So, take your success with women to the next level by picking up a copy today.
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S.-If you have a success story you would like to share, or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would like to make, please email me at swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last name. And include the country, state/province, and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to this email, because I won't get it! Thanks!
_________________________________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved. Swinggcat and RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Sunday, October 31, 2004
Make Them Strive To Earn The Prize…
By Swinggcat- author of RealWorldSeduction
Hey guys,
Due to the nature of my book I get a lot of e-mails from customers who have a great many personal questions that need some special tender-loving care. One in particular caught my attention and touches on a subject I think is REALLY important, so I wanted to share it with you:
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Question:
Hi Swinggcat,
I'm trying to figure out why this girl I have been seeing will no longer kiss me, considering that a few months back she let me both kiss and have oral sex with her. After coming home and sleeping next to me two weekends ago, she told me she'll be ready to have sex in about two months. Last weekend I drove to her in Irvine for a dinner and movie. She paid for dinner (I offered money and she declined, I told her I'm glad she makes good money so she can support me), and I paid for the movie but she got us half price with a coupon.
I'm hanging in there because I really like her and want her to take me to China in April for business and fun, so I don't want to screw it up. I don't mind not having sex as I get that from my SF girlfriend, but at least some kissing and loving would be nice!!! I don't know how to handle her to create more attraction but I have stopped trying to get any kisses, but I'm not cold to her either. I don't know how much to stand off, I don't want to give the wrong idea. Obviously she still likes me and considers me or she wouldn't waste another date with me.
Thanks for any help,
-A from CA
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Answer:
My first thought was: "Can I come to China too? I've always wanted eat dog tail.” But then I remembered that dog tail is served in Thailand, not China.
But my second thought is the one I want to talk about more. First off, I am really in awe of this guy for having the courage to ask for help. For many, asking for help can be a humbling experience yet it is one of the best ways to take a giant step towards massive success in life. I know that back when I first started learning about this stuff, I would have never had the guts to reach out and ask for help in this way. So, this guy is a better man than I was when I first started learning this stuff.
Also, I really liked when he told her: “I'm glad you make good money so you can support me”. This was great because he communicated the message that he was the PRIZE. I'm going to have to steal that the next time I'm out! LOL!
But the crux of the issue here (and this is something almost ALL guys overlook in their interactions with women) is less about trying to create more ATTRACTION, and more about being conscious of, and in control of, the underlying meaning of your interactions
with her.
Before I explain what I mean by this, I am going to digress by telling you a little story:
A few nights ago I was sitting around with some friends talking about what triggers attraction in females. One of the people there, a female exotic dancer, jumped into the conversation by saying, “You guys are thinking about this all wrong: Women are attracted to men who don’t try to attract them. And the guys who do try to attract them become un-attractive by doing so!"
Maybe I had lost mind due to her slipping something funny into my drink, but she started to make a whole lot of sense. I think there is a lot of subtle, yet fundamental,
psychology going on here, and brings up 2 specific points that I think most guys need to be conscious of:
1) When men try to make a woman attracted to them it implies that they are more attracted to the woman than the woman is to them—it communicates that they believe she is of greater value than themselves. Put in other words, the FRAME being set—the underlying meaning of the interaction—is that she is the PRIZE to be won over.
2) Attraction is less about a judgment a person makes about you and more about what you make that person’s mind and body do.
So, when men do things to get women to see them as ATTRACTIVE or more PRIZABLE—such as, trying to impress them with their money, or trying to be funny—they are giving the woman the power of being the judge in the interaction. This is bad because the only one whose attraction increases is the man.
Perhaps this is why women are attracted to men who are indifferent and have high standards. This sort of man cares less if the woman is into him. Instead he is busy figuring out if she QUALIFIES as the sort of woman he finds attractive.
Often times this makes the woman try to prove to him that she is ATTRACTIVE. Think about what this man is doing to this woman’s mind and body. Think about what is happening to her. She is becoming, often times unknowingly, ATTRACTED to him.
So, my advice to you is to firstly, have really high standards with your interactions with women. Convey the message to them that if she falls short of your standards and expectations, they will blow their chances with you. This will set the frame that you are judging them, not the other way around.
Secondly, be indifferent to them. Convey to them that it will be no loss at all if they blow their chances with you (in fact, this would be a convenience considering that it would give you more time to do other things). So, the attitude towards them should be: one way or the other IT DOESN’T REALLTY MATTER.
Thirdly, always be aware of the underlying meaning of your interaction with them. If you ever find yourself trying to make them see you as attractive, or allowing them to disrespect you, or letting them judge you, they are controlling the frame. And, if you want them to be attracted to you, you need to take back control of the frame. This means upping your standards with them and becoming even more indifferent towards them.
Fourthly, reread the chapters in my book on Beliefs, Frames, and Qualifying & Challenging if you want to know more about this. These chapters cover those topics IN DEPTH! And the only place you can find them detailed in such a down-to-earth manner is in my guide
to Real World Seduction. In fact, I feel sorry for anyone who DOESN'T have my book, since they are most likely not enjoying as much success with women as they could be if they took their first step to getting that part of their life in order by picking up a copy at:
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S. -If you have a success story you would like to share, or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would like to make, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last name. And include the country, state/province, and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to this email, because I won't get it! Thanks!
______________________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved. Swinggcat and
RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Hey guys,
Due to the nature of my book I get a lot of e-mails from customers who have a great many personal questions that need some special tender-loving care. One in particular caught my attention and touches on a subject I think is REALLY important, so I wanted to share it with you:
************************************
Question:
Hi Swinggcat,
I'm trying to figure out why this girl I have been seeing will no longer kiss me, considering that a few months back she let me both kiss and have oral sex with her. After coming home and sleeping next to me two weekends ago, she told me she'll be ready to have sex in about two months. Last weekend I drove to her in Irvine for a dinner and movie. She paid for dinner (I offered money and she declined, I told her I'm glad she makes good money so she can support me), and I paid for the movie but she got us half price with a coupon.
I'm hanging in there because I really like her and want her to take me to China in April for business and fun, so I don't want to screw it up. I don't mind not having sex as I get that from my SF girlfriend, but at least some kissing and loving would be nice!!! I don't know how to handle her to create more attraction but I have stopped trying to get any kisses, but I'm not cold to her either. I don't know how much to stand off, I don't want to give the wrong idea. Obviously she still likes me and considers me or she wouldn't waste another date with me.
Thanks for any help,
-A from CA
************************************
Answer:
My first thought was: "Can I come to China too? I've always wanted eat dog tail.” But then I remembered that dog tail is served in Thailand, not China.
But my second thought is the one I want to talk about more. First off, I am really in awe of this guy for having the courage to ask for help. For many, asking for help can be a humbling experience yet it is one of the best ways to take a giant step towards massive success in life. I know that back when I first started learning about this stuff, I would have never had the guts to reach out and ask for help in this way. So, this guy is a better man than I was when I first started learning this stuff.
Also, I really liked when he told her: “I'm glad you make good money so you can support me”. This was great because he communicated the message that he was the PRIZE. I'm going to have to steal that the next time I'm out! LOL!
But the crux of the issue here (and this is something almost ALL guys overlook in their interactions with women) is less about trying to create more ATTRACTION, and more about being conscious of, and in control of, the underlying meaning of your interactions
with her.
Before I explain what I mean by this, I am going to digress by telling you a little story:
A few nights ago I was sitting around with some friends talking about what triggers attraction in females. One of the people there, a female exotic dancer, jumped into the conversation by saying, “You guys are thinking about this all wrong: Women are attracted to men who don’t try to attract them. And the guys who do try to attract them become un-attractive by doing so!"
Maybe I had lost mind due to her slipping something funny into my drink, but she started to make a whole lot of sense. I think there is a lot of subtle, yet fundamental,
psychology going on here, and brings up 2 specific points that I think most guys need to be conscious of:
1) When men try to make a woman attracted to them it implies that they are more attracted to the woman than the woman is to them—it communicates that they believe she is of greater value than themselves. Put in other words, the FRAME being set—the underlying meaning of the interaction—is that she is the PRIZE to be won over.
2) Attraction is less about a judgment a person makes about you and more about what you make that person’s mind and body do.
So, when men do things to get women to see them as ATTRACTIVE or more PRIZABLE—such as, trying to impress them with their money, or trying to be funny—they are giving the woman the power of being the judge in the interaction. This is bad because the only one whose attraction increases is the man.
Perhaps this is why women are attracted to men who are indifferent and have high standards. This sort of man cares less if the woman is into him. Instead he is busy figuring out if she QUALIFIES as the sort of woman he finds attractive.
Often times this makes the woman try to prove to him that she is ATTRACTIVE. Think about what this man is doing to this woman’s mind and body. Think about what is happening to her. She is becoming, often times unknowingly, ATTRACTED to him.
So, my advice to you is to firstly, have really high standards with your interactions with women. Convey the message to them that if she falls short of your standards and expectations, they will blow their chances with you. This will set the frame that you are judging them, not the other way around.
Secondly, be indifferent to them. Convey to them that it will be no loss at all if they blow their chances with you (in fact, this would be a convenience considering that it would give you more time to do other things). So, the attitude towards them should be: one way or the other IT DOESN’T REALLTY MATTER.
Thirdly, always be aware of the underlying meaning of your interaction with them. If you ever find yourself trying to make them see you as attractive, or allowing them to disrespect you, or letting them judge you, they are controlling the frame. And, if you want them to be attracted to you, you need to take back control of the frame. This means upping your standards with them and becoming even more indifferent towards them.
Fourthly, reread the chapters in my book on Beliefs, Frames, and Qualifying & Challenging if you want to know more about this. These chapters cover those topics IN DEPTH! And the only place you can find them detailed in such a down-to-earth manner is in my guide
to Real World Seduction. In fact, I feel sorry for anyone who DOESN'T have my book, since they are most likely not enjoying as much success with women as they could be if they took their first step to getting that part of their life in order by picking up a copy at:
RealWorldSeduction
'Till next time,
Swinggcat
P.S. -If you have a success story you would like to share, or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would like to make, please email me at:
swinggcat@realworldseduction.com
Include the fist initial of your first and last name. And include the country, state/province, and city you live in.
This whole "learning" thing goes both ways, you know! Oh, and be sure not to just hit "reply" to this email, because I won't get it! Thanks!
______________________________________________________
Copyright 2004 Superior Living Inc. All rights reserved. Swinggcat and
RealWorldSeduction are trademarks of Superior Living Inc.
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Saturday, October 30, 2004
Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART I
Thundercat: Thanks for being with me today Swinggcat.
Swinggcat: Oh, no problem Thundercat. You want me to call you “Thunder” for short?
T: (Laughter) Only if I can call you “Swingg.” Alright man, why don’t you give us some background on who you are and how you got into this whole “seduction” thing.
S: When I was in JR high school, I was a total nerd—I was REALLY awkward and shy around girls. So, the summer going into 9th grade I gave myself a complete make over. My daily routine that summer was waking up, walking to the bookstore, reading self books on confidence and dating , perusing teeny bopper magazines for trendy styles, and picking up girls at the mall. This F-ing transformed me. By the time school started I was a new man. I was not the stud of my high school but I was getting laid (and I do have some great stories about high school—maybe I will share them in our next interview—I don’t know). In fact, by the end of eleventh grade I was voted biggest flirt…so I must have been moving in the right erection…I mean direction (laughs).
T: (Laughs) How did you get involved in this seduction community?
S: Around this time—well maybe a little after, I cant remember anymore—I saw this special on Fox 11 News about this creepy guy who was giving seminars to nerdy men on how to use hypnosis to get women into bed. They also interviewed this guy’s top student, Mark housewife banging Cuningham, a dumpy little man whose seduction niche was sleeping with married women. The girl I was watching it with commented, “This is some creepy shit!”, to which I concurred and then proceeded to look him up on the internet. I found his book and some newsletters he had written. In his book and newsletters he talked about using something called Patterns which were used to put women into trance states making it easier to bed them. The patterns seemed like excerpts taken out of some really cheesy romance book. They seemed like a shit pot full of work to memorize. I think at the time he offered a home study course for a few hundred dollars. But I was too cheap to splurge the cabbage. However, shortly after, I had an experience which made me think there was something to what this guy was teaching. I was out with a friend of mine, and a girl he really liked, and she started off liking him too. And I played this little visualization game with her where I had her imagine her ideal vacation, and her ideal romantic lover. And… long story short, by the end of it I was making out with her. So at this point I thought there was something to his stuff, but still did not have a big enough interest to fork over the cashola for his course.
T: Hm…So, what made you eventually cave in to buy his home study course?
S: Well this is an interesting story: When I was in high school I was living in L.A., so, while my sex life could have been better, I was still getting laid. But then in college my sex life plummeted. And then one night after not being laid in months I broke down, and ended up bedding a warpig I met at a frat party…we’re talking a good hundred and sixty pounder who had more facial hair than I currently would have if I abstained from shaving for a week. I think I will be forever traumatized by the vivid memory of waking up the next morning after shagging Miss. Hippo. I was half crushed by her enormous torso, and half depressed that I stooped to an all time low. At this moment I knew that I had to get this area of my life out of the way. I still remember leaving her sorority house (God…to think they let this creature in to a sorority), washing the stench of warpig off me, and out of desperation, ordering the stupid study course. But ultimately, what made me get the home study course was not that I thought there was great material in there, it was that there was a community of men who went out and would practice this stuff. Because most of the guys I knew in college, you know, very intellectual guys, kind-of balked and looked down upon the idea of going out and spending time seducing and picking up women, and I was quite excited to get into this community and meet these people. I bought the home study course, joined Ross’s list, and met up with some of the guys.
T: So what was it like meeting the guys?
I was really excited, I was expecting these really kind-of “GQ”-esque looking guys, you know, real “ladies men” – like, I remember I was meeting some of them at a coffee shop and I thought they’d be the life of the party, and I remember going up to some frat boys because that’s who I thought they were, saying “Oh, are you guys the brothers?” And they kind-of looked at me weird. And then I noticed some kind-of small, disheveled looking guys with receding hairlines and protruding guts in the corner of the coffee shop, and I just went up to them to ask them if they had seen any guys that looked like the “fun party guys.” And they’re like (in zombie voice) “Oh, you must be brother Swinggcat.”
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART I
Thundercat: Thanks for being with me today Swinggcat.
Swinggcat: Oh, no problem Thundercat. You want me to call you “Thunder” for short?
T: (Laughter) Only if I can call you “Swingg.” Alright man, why don’t you give us some background on who you are and how you got into this whole “seduction” thing.
S: When I was in JR high school, I was a total nerd—I was REALLY awkward and shy around girls. So, the summer going into 9th grade I gave myself a complete make over. My daily routine that summer was waking up, walking to the bookstore, reading self books on confidence and dating , perusing teeny bopper magazines for trendy styles, and picking up girls at the mall. This F-ing transformed me. By the time school started I was a new man. I was not the stud of my high school but I was getting laid (and I do have some great stories about high school—maybe I will share them in our next interview—I don’t know). In fact, by the end of eleventh grade I was voted biggest flirt…so I must have been moving in the right erection…I mean direction (laughs).
T: (Laughs) How did you get involved in this seduction community?
S: Around this time—well maybe a little after, I cant remember anymore—I saw this special on Fox 11 News about this creepy guy who was giving seminars to nerdy men on how to use hypnosis to get women into bed. They also interviewed this guy’s top student, Mark housewife banging Cuningham, a dumpy little man whose seduction niche was sleeping with married women. The girl I was watching it with commented, “This is some creepy shit!”, to which I concurred and then proceeded to look him up on the internet. I found his book and some newsletters he had written. In his book and newsletters he talked about using something called Patterns which were used to put women into trance states making it easier to bed them. The patterns seemed like excerpts taken out of some really cheesy romance book. They seemed like a shit pot full of work to memorize. I think at the time he offered a home study course for a few hundred dollars. But I was too cheap to splurge the cabbage. However, shortly after, I had an experience which made me think there was something to what this guy was teaching. I was out with a friend of mine, and a girl he really liked, and she started off liking him too. And I played this little visualization game with her where I had her imagine her ideal vacation, and her ideal romantic lover. And… long story short, by the end of it I was making out with her. So at this point I thought there was something to his stuff, but still did not have a big enough interest to fork over the cashola for his course.
T: Hm…So, what made you eventually cave in to buy his home study course?
S: Well this is an interesting story: When I was in high school I was living in L.A., so, while my sex life could have been better, I was still getting laid. But then in college my sex life plummeted. And then one night after not being laid in months I broke down, and ended up bedding a warpig I met at a frat party…we’re talking a good hundred and sixty pounder who had more facial hair than I currently would have if I abstained from shaving for a week. I think I will be forever traumatized by the vivid memory of waking up the next morning after shagging Miss. Hippo. I was half crushed by her enormous torso, and half depressed that I stooped to an all time low. At this moment I knew that I had to get this area of my life out of the way. I still remember leaving her sorority house (God…to think they let this creature in to a sorority), washing the stench of warpig off me, and out of desperation, ordering the stupid study course. But ultimately, what made me get the home study course was not that I thought there was great material in there, it was that there was a community of men who went out and would practice this stuff. Because most of the guys I knew in college, you know, very intellectual guys, kind-of balked and looked down upon the idea of going out and spending time seducing and picking up women, and I was quite excited to get into this community and meet these people. I bought the home study course, joined Ross’s list, and met up with some of the guys.
T: So what was it like meeting the guys?
I was really excited, I was expecting these really kind-of “GQ”-esque looking guys, you know, real “ladies men” – like, I remember I was meeting some of them at a coffee shop and I thought they’d be the life of the party, and I remember going up to some frat boys because that’s who I thought they were, saying “Oh, are you guys the brothers?” And they kind-of looked at me weird. And then I noticed some kind-of small, disheveled looking guys with receding hairlines and protruding guts in the corner of the coffee shop, and I just went up to them to ask them if they had seen any guys that looked like the “fun party guys.” And they’re like (in zombie voice) “Oh, you must be brother Swinggcat.”
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Part 2: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART II
T: You seem like a guy who was already pretty good with women before you even got into this stuff…am I right?
S: I was a guy who, you know, got laid. Not as much as I would have liked to have gotten laid or by the type of girls I would have liked to lay –
T: Well, none of us can get laid as much as we like.
S: Yes, unless you’re Gene Simmons or Dave Navarro
T: (Laughter) Or Style.
S: (Swinggcat looking all green-eyed) Ugh! I hate that bastard…he has a better ass than me! (Now revealing a smile)
T: Some would say you rely a lot on your looks as part of your skill.
S: Yes, exactly.
T: How do you respond to that?
S: Well, it depends on how you look at it. My looks – I was in college at the time, I went to college up north, San Francisco Bay area, and my looks got a lot of attention… from men.
T: (Laughter)
S: There was this one time that I was in LA, I think it was for Spring Break during college, and a buddy of mine took me to Skybar, and the whole night – no luck with women whatsoever. Just crashing and burning. It was before I got into this stuff… and there was this guy that came over and he complimented me on my shirt. You know, compliment intro.
T: Yeah.
S: Worked great. He invited me to this after-party, and I went to the after-party, and there are all these girls there. Of course, I struck out left and right. And at the end of the night, he said him and his buddy needed to talk to me for a second. They took me into this room, and basically said “Oh, you are so charming, and so hot, and we would love to hook up with you.” And at that moment, I realized, my looks… were a curse.
T: (Laughter)
S: Not a blessing!
T: I noticed you do get approached by guys a lot.
S: I do, I do, I do.
T: Guys, or really ugly bisexual women.
S: I know (laughs). Well, the Tranny’s love me. I guess because I’m cute, little, and cuddly.
T: But the truth is you don’t really need to be good looking to be good with women, even though it helps.
S: Well no…It is important to be good looking, but one does not have to be conventionally good looking.
T: Hmm…what do you mean?
S: Well, for example, most of the world’s top pick up artists are not exactly what the general female populace would call “conventionally good looking”. There is Mystery who is tall but has a long Pinocchioesque looking snout. Then there are guys like Style, Rick H., David D and myself, who look like little hobbits. Damn…I doubt if a woman saw a picture of us all together she would think we looked like shinning examples of genetic perfection. More likely she would think it was something like a group photo taken from a Lord of the Rings reunion party or a picture of the cast for an upcoming Adams family movie…I don’t know. But irrefutably, she would not mistaken the photo of us as being a page out of an Abercrombie catalogue.
T: So how can a man be good looking if he is not conventionally good looking?
S: The kind of good looking that I am talking about has more to do with being sexy. Let me ask you a question: Have you ever seen a picture of two women, one of which you found to be more attractive, but when you met them in person you found the other one to be more attractive?
T: Yes…interesting.
S: The reason for this is that a person’s body language, facial expressing, personality, and beliefs about themselves, dramatically affect how attractive others find them. Think of the body as a musical instrument. An amateur musician playing something on a really fancy musical instrument is still not going to sound as good as a professional musician playing something on a shitty instrument. Likewise, a guy who is not conventionally good looking who knows how to use his body, is going to be infinitely more attractive than a conventionally good looking guy who doesn’t know how to use his body. Its so funny, but when a guy who is not conventionally good looking knows how to use his body, facial expressions, and personality, women will talk about how physically attractive they find him. I have seen women say this about little tiny bald guys and big fat bastards…It is really hilarious to watch.
T: Yes…there is home for me!
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART II
T: You seem like a guy who was already pretty good with women before you even got into this stuff…am I right?
S: I was a guy who, you know, got laid. Not as much as I would have liked to have gotten laid or by the type of girls I would have liked to lay –
T: Well, none of us can get laid as much as we like.
S: Yes, unless you’re Gene Simmons or Dave Navarro
T: (Laughter) Or Style.
S: (Swinggcat looking all green-eyed) Ugh! I hate that bastard…he has a better ass than me! (Now revealing a smile)
T: Some would say you rely a lot on your looks as part of your skill.
S: Yes, exactly.
T: How do you respond to that?
S: Well, it depends on how you look at it. My looks – I was in college at the time, I went to college up north, San Francisco Bay area, and my looks got a lot of attention… from men.
T: (Laughter)
S: There was this one time that I was in LA, I think it was for Spring Break during college, and a buddy of mine took me to Skybar, and the whole night – no luck with women whatsoever. Just crashing and burning. It was before I got into this stuff… and there was this guy that came over and he complimented me on my shirt. You know, compliment intro.
T: Yeah.
S: Worked great. He invited me to this after-party, and I went to the after-party, and there are all these girls there. Of course, I struck out left and right. And at the end of the night, he said him and his buddy needed to talk to me for a second. They took me into this room, and basically said “Oh, you are so charming, and so hot, and we would love to hook up with you.” And at that moment, I realized, my looks… were a curse.
T: (Laughter)
S: Not a blessing!
T: I noticed you do get approached by guys a lot.
S: I do, I do, I do.
T: Guys, or really ugly bisexual women.
S: I know (laughs). Well, the Tranny’s love me. I guess because I’m cute, little, and cuddly.
T: But the truth is you don’t really need to be good looking to be good with women, even though it helps.
S: Well no…It is important to be good looking, but one does not have to be conventionally good looking.
T: Hmm…what do you mean?
S: Well, for example, most of the world’s top pick up artists are not exactly what the general female populace would call “conventionally good looking”. There is Mystery who is tall but has a long Pinocchioesque looking snout. Then there are guys like Style, Rick H., David D and myself, who look like little hobbits. Damn…I doubt if a woman saw a picture of us all together she would think we looked like shinning examples of genetic perfection. More likely she would think it was something like a group photo taken from a Lord of the Rings reunion party or a picture of the cast for an upcoming Adams family movie…I don’t know. But irrefutably, she would not mistaken the photo of us as being a page out of an Abercrombie catalogue.
T: So how can a man be good looking if he is not conventionally good looking?
S: The kind of good looking that I am talking about has more to do with being sexy. Let me ask you a question: Have you ever seen a picture of two women, one of which you found to be more attractive, but when you met them in person you found the other one to be more attractive?
T: Yes…interesting.
S: The reason for this is that a person’s body language, facial expressing, personality, and beliefs about themselves, dramatically affect how attractive others find them. Think of the body as a musical instrument. An amateur musician playing something on a really fancy musical instrument is still not going to sound as good as a professional musician playing something on a shitty instrument. Likewise, a guy who is not conventionally good looking who knows how to use his body, is going to be infinitely more attractive than a conventionally good looking guy who doesn’t know how to use his body. Its so funny, but when a guy who is not conventionally good looking knows how to use his body, facial expressions, and personality, women will talk about how physically attractive they find him. I have seen women say this about little tiny bald guys and big fat bastards…It is really hilarious to watch.
T: Yes…there is home for me!
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Friday, October 29, 2004
Part 3: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART III
T: what are some of the things that guys can do with their body to make themselves more attractive?
S: In my book I get really in depth with this stuff. But something really basic that most guys have heard a thousand times, yet still needs to be reinforced is eye contact. This is huge. When first approaching or interacting with a woman, maintain strong eye contact. If you have eye contact with a woman and she does something making you feel uncomfortable, do not look away. When you do this it conveys to her that you are scared, you are reacting to her, she is more worthy than you, and that you are in her reality. If you get scared…and we all get scared at times, do something like curl your toe, I don’t know. But don’t look away. When you make her look away she is reacting to you, thus, she is in your reality. Having a strong gaze will convey to women that even the ugliest guy is the prize. When this is coupled with a warm confident smile, the affect it has on women is profound. I personally know a very ugly dude who has only mastered these two things…and women find him very attractive as a result. Some other basic stuff that will make even model men unattractive is slouched shoulders, and hands in the pockets. This conveys insecurity and lack of self worth. Learn to be comfortable in your own skin, stand tall, and take up space. Anyway, in my book I go really in depth into this and talk about some really subtle things you can do with your body language that will make women see you as being good looking, not in the conventional sense, but in the “sexy sense. This is the kind of good looking that matters. The conventional kind DOESNT REALLY MATTER.
T: great stuff
S: yea…and the other part of being attractive is finding a look that works for you. Wear clothes that look like they belong on your body. If you need to get help from some female friend, do it!—because this is huge.
T: Very true…I think the guy from fashionforfatguys.com make a similar point. To return to your journey after you got the home study course, I am wondering what your first big Suck-sex was?
S: (Laughs) So my first “suck-sex” with this stuff was, um, I’d studied and learned the “incredible connection” pattern, the “fascination” pattern, the “voodoo dildo,” and I think “love vs. attraction.” And I was at a friend of mine’s house, and there was this girl there, and I started running these patterns on her. She was totally intrigued by it. And my friend, he sort of knew what I was doing – some type of “pheromone hypnotist” thing you get on the internet, and he thought it was bullshit. But this girl was into it, she was really digging it. My friend tried cock block me, but she was into me and he couldn’t get anywhere, so he took off, and the girl and I end up going up to a room and… well, I had run out of my four patterns! So I just kept repeating them, over and over again! (laughs) And I was scared to make the move because, you know, I thought that if I didn’t have someone in a deep trance, I really couldn’t make a move. All I needed to do was lean over and grope her.
T: (Laughs)
S: So basically, what happened was, I kept running the patterns, finally made my move on her, ended up bedding her, and I thought “Wow! There’s something to this!” I told some of the guys that I’d met through the Seduction church…I mean “Community” and they were like “Wow, you’re the best we know at this. Because, to be honest with you, none of us have actually been able to get this stuff to work!”
T: (Laughter)
S: That’s fucked up man, don’t laugh…these guys were my idols, and it was really heart wrenching to realize that they actually stunk.
T: So what happened after that suck-sex?
S: And so that was a short-lived success, I kind-of, you know, after that didn’t have much success. And then a buddy of mine introduced me to some commercial live footage of guys using this stuff on women”
T: Oh! The Orion and Kamal videos.
S: Ah, ah, it was… priceless like Mastercard. Wow. Uh, so I studied the videos, I learned the handwriting spiel, and now I didn’t have to worry about walk-ups. I’d just walk up to girls and, you know, my opening line was “If I were to ask you for some of your handwriting, what might you say?” And I’d do the handwriting analysis thing, which is basically a way of doing a cold reading. I started doing the handwriting thing, and then I would kind-of segue into these hypnotic patterns, and attempt to hypnotize them.
I had some success, got number like a rock star, and laid some girls using this, but I slowly started realizing that something was terribly wrong. As soon as I would stop doing the handwriting analysis spiel, the women lost interest in me. If I didn’t lay them within the first half hour while doing the handwriting analysis, it was over. I started to realize I was basically a monkey doing tricks. I was basically setting it up so the woman was the prize, and I was this little monkey who was jumping through hoops, hoping she would accept me. And it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, it actually got me laid. I was probably getting laid less than I was before using this, still by warhogs, um, but I did lay some hot girls using it, I have some great stories. I thought that the answer to all my problems was learning even more material…If I could only keep the girl intrigued and liking me by learning even more patterns and routines I would be the master, I speculated.
However, in time I began to realize that not only did I not need more material, but in many cases not trying to FASCINATE them and not trying to get INCREDIBLE CONNECTIONS with them, and not trying to talk about LOVE OR ATTRACTION actually made them more attracted to me. In fact, it was like the less material I did the better I became. I started to realize that attracting women is not about doing things that make them judge you as attractive. When you try to get women to like, be fascinated, or connect with you, it defines your interaction with her as meaning that it is her who is the prize.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART III
T: what are some of the things that guys can do with their body to make themselves more attractive?
S: In my book I get really in depth with this stuff. But something really basic that most guys have heard a thousand times, yet still needs to be reinforced is eye contact. This is huge. When first approaching or interacting with a woman, maintain strong eye contact. If you have eye contact with a woman and she does something making you feel uncomfortable, do not look away. When you do this it conveys to her that you are scared, you are reacting to her, she is more worthy than you, and that you are in her reality. If you get scared…and we all get scared at times, do something like curl your toe, I don’t know. But don’t look away. When you make her look away she is reacting to you, thus, she is in your reality. Having a strong gaze will convey to women that even the ugliest guy is the prize. When this is coupled with a warm confident smile, the affect it has on women is profound. I personally know a very ugly dude who has only mastered these two things…and women find him very attractive as a result. Some other basic stuff that will make even model men unattractive is slouched shoulders, and hands in the pockets. This conveys insecurity and lack of self worth. Learn to be comfortable in your own skin, stand tall, and take up space. Anyway, in my book I go really in depth into this and talk about some really subtle things you can do with your body language that will make women see you as being good looking, not in the conventional sense, but in the “sexy sense. This is the kind of good looking that matters. The conventional kind DOESNT REALLY MATTER.
T: great stuff
S: yea…and the other part of being attractive is finding a look that works for you. Wear clothes that look like they belong on your body. If you need to get help from some female friend, do it!—because this is huge.
T: Very true…I think the guy from fashionforfatguys.com make a similar point. To return to your journey after you got the home study course, I am wondering what your first big Suck-sex was?
S: (Laughs) So my first “suck-sex” with this stuff was, um, I’d studied and learned the “incredible connection” pattern, the “fascination” pattern, the “voodoo dildo,” and I think “love vs. attraction.” And I was at a friend of mine’s house, and there was this girl there, and I started running these patterns on her. She was totally intrigued by it. And my friend, he sort of knew what I was doing – some type of “pheromone hypnotist” thing you get on the internet, and he thought it was bullshit. But this girl was into it, she was really digging it. My friend tried cock block me, but she was into me and he couldn’t get anywhere, so he took off, and the girl and I end up going up to a room and… well, I had run out of my four patterns! So I just kept repeating them, over and over again! (laughs) And I was scared to make the move because, you know, I thought that if I didn’t have someone in a deep trance, I really couldn’t make a move. All I needed to do was lean over and grope her.
T: (Laughs)
S: So basically, what happened was, I kept running the patterns, finally made my move on her, ended up bedding her, and I thought “Wow! There’s something to this!” I told some of the guys that I’d met through the Seduction church…I mean “Community” and they were like “Wow, you’re the best we know at this. Because, to be honest with you, none of us have actually been able to get this stuff to work!”
T: (Laughter)
S: That’s fucked up man, don’t laugh…these guys were my idols, and it was really heart wrenching to realize that they actually stunk.
T: So what happened after that suck-sex?
S: And so that was a short-lived success, I kind-of, you know, after that didn’t have much success. And then a buddy of mine introduced me to some commercial live footage of guys using this stuff on women”
T: Oh! The Orion and Kamal videos.
S: Ah, ah, it was… priceless like Mastercard. Wow. Uh, so I studied the videos, I learned the handwriting spiel, and now I didn’t have to worry about walk-ups. I’d just walk up to girls and, you know, my opening line was “If I were to ask you for some of your handwriting, what might you say?” And I’d do the handwriting analysis thing, which is basically a way of doing a cold reading. I started doing the handwriting thing, and then I would kind-of segue into these hypnotic patterns, and attempt to hypnotize them.
I had some success, got number like a rock star, and laid some girls using this, but I slowly started realizing that something was terribly wrong. As soon as I would stop doing the handwriting analysis spiel, the women lost interest in me. If I didn’t lay them within the first half hour while doing the handwriting analysis, it was over. I started to realize I was basically a monkey doing tricks. I was basically setting it up so the woman was the prize, and I was this little monkey who was jumping through hoops, hoping she would accept me. And it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, it actually got me laid. I was probably getting laid less than I was before using this, still by warhogs, um, but I did lay some hot girls using it, I have some great stories. I thought that the answer to all my problems was learning even more material…If I could only keep the girl intrigued and liking me by learning even more patterns and routines I would be the master, I speculated.
However, in time I began to realize that not only did I not need more material, but in many cases not trying to FASCINATE them and not trying to get INCREDIBLE CONNECTIONS with them, and not trying to talk about LOVE OR ATTRACTION actually made them more attracted to me. In fact, it was like the less material I did the better I became. I started to realize that attracting women is not about doing things that make them judge you as attractive. When you try to get women to like, be fascinated, or connect with you, it defines your interaction with her as meaning that it is her who is the prize.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 4: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IV
T: Now, let’s back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List…
S: Yes I did.
T: How did that happen?
S: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn’t do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn’t the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List… that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that “Some of us aren’t good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this.”
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn’t missing any teeth…
T: But let’s start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
S: So this is an interesting thing, um… during… oh, let’s see… in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that’s when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don’t consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I’m pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I’d be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle A1FunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: “I’d been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake… but it’s real! And there’s this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques.”
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying “Don’t post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately.” So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I’d learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn’t want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that’s my trademark, I’m notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that’s where I’m supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he’s like “Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you.” And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said “Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!” And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
T: Oh my god. Now, you’re serious? This actually happened?
S: This actually happened. This is real. Well… by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It’s quite good, quite effective.
T: (Laughs)
S: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge… I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there’s any “honey bunnies” as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don’t know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that “Incredible Connection” with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I’m kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says “No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg.” So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of… kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going “Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!” And, you know, I thought “Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me.” But I don’t think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
T: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
S: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of “super” SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the “new model” of seduction.
T: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students.
S: very true.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IV
T: Now, let’s back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List…
S: Yes I did.
T: How did that happen?
S: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn’t do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn’t the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List… that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that “Some of us aren’t good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this.”
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn’t missing any teeth…
T: But let’s start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
S: So this is an interesting thing, um… during… oh, let’s see… in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that’s when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don’t consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I’m pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I’d be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle A1FunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: “I’d been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake… but it’s real! And there’s this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques.”
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying “Don’t post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately.” So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I’d learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn’t want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that’s my trademark, I’m notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that’s where I’m supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he’s like “Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you.” And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said “Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!” And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
T: Oh my god. Now, you’re serious? This actually happened?
S: This actually happened. This is real. Well… by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It’s quite good, quite effective.
T: (Laughs)
S: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge… I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there’s any “honey bunnies” as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don’t know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that “Incredible Connection” with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I’m kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says “No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg.” So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of… kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going “Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!” And, you know, I thought “Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me.” But I don’t think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
T: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
S: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of “super” SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the “new model” of seduction.
T: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students.
S: very true.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
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Thursday, October 28, 2004
Part 5: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART V
T: Now, around this time when you were coming up in the ranks of SS, Ross was having a bit of a flame war with Mystery on Cliff’s List, right?
S: That’s right.
T: And he actually put you and IN10SE up against Mystery and anyone of his choosing.
S: That’s right.
T: Now, were you introduced to Mystery before that point? Or was that your introduction to Mystery Method?
S: I don’t recall, we’re gonna have to look at the actual date of that. But this is before that recent post that he made about challenging me against Erik. This is a couple years ago. This is actually… maybe it was before he met Erik.
T: You mean Mystery.
S: Well, his identity is already out there now, so it doesn’t matter. Now, as I discovered later on, I’m gonna sort-of fast forward here, I became a big celeb after that, Ross built me up, I started becoming a star at his seminars, you know, it’s kind-of like a “Rocky” thing – rise to the top. Fast forward, I think a big part of why I had success with his material is… he gave me something to say. Um, I’m a guy, you know, not the greatest looking guy in the world, but I’m not a bad looking guy. Good personality. I have confidence, which is a big part of my system. And the fact of the matter is he gave me something to say and he was the first one to introduce me to, having a sense of control over the interaction, you know . Not fully controlling, but it was my first taste of what it was like to control a social interaction. And I think for those reasons, I did very well with his material. As I found out later on, it wasn’t his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I’ve developed over the years.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART V
T: Now, around this time when you were coming up in the ranks of SS, Ross was having a bit of a flame war with Mystery on Cliff’s List, right?
S: That’s right.
T: And he actually put you and IN10SE up against Mystery and anyone of his choosing.
S: That’s right.
T: Now, were you introduced to Mystery before that point? Or was that your introduction to Mystery Method?
S: I don’t recall, we’re gonna have to look at the actual date of that. But this is before that recent post that he made about challenging me against Erik. This is a couple years ago. This is actually… maybe it was before he met Erik.
T: You mean Mystery.
S: Well, his identity is already out there now, so it doesn’t matter. Now, as I discovered later on, I’m gonna sort-of fast forward here, I became a big celeb after that, Ross built me up, I started becoming a star at his seminars, you know, it’s kind-of like a “Rocky” thing – rise to the top. Fast forward, I think a big part of why I had success with his material is… he gave me something to say. Um, I’m a guy, you know, not the greatest looking guy in the world, but I’m not a bad looking guy. Good personality. I have confidence, which is a big part of my system. And the fact of the matter is he gave me something to say and he was the first one to introduce me to, having a sense of control over the interaction, you know . Not fully controlling, but it was my first taste of what it was like to control a social interaction. And I think for those reasons, I did very well with his material. As I found out later on, it wasn’t his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I’ve developed over the years.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 6: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VI
Thundercat: So how did you start developing your own method?
Swinggcat: So, this is an interesting story, let me back up a bit. Before I moved back down to LA, I was still living in my college town, wasn’t going to school up there, but like a lot of kids, wanted to pretend I was in college for a longer time than I really was. I met a guy who in this community goes by the name “Primoman.” Primoman played a kind-of very pivotal role in my breakout from the whole SS system. I met Primoman in the summer of 2001, through the EBSS Seduction Lair.
And Primoman was the guy who originally told me that there was a guy named Mystery who was great, there was a guy named David DeAngelo who was phenomenal -- although he wasn’t called David DeAngelo back then, he was called… I think it was “Hypnotize” spelled backwards.
Thundercat: Sisonpyh
Swinggcat: Sisonpyh. Yes, exactly. Anyways, he told me about this guy, and about all these different guys, and everyone else in the EBSS thought this guy was full of shit. But I told Primoman “You know what? I’ll try out your method. I’ll try out all this new stuff.” So we went to a bar, and I started doing my hypnotic seduction stuff. And Primoman looked at me and he’s like (in a high pitched voice) “Swinggcat, you got to bust their balls. And you don’t want to talk about any of the deep stuff. You gotta be superficial, don’t be intellectual. Girls don’t like that in a bar, Mmm-hmmmm.”
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: And I was thinking “What was this guy up to?” But I decided I’ll give this clown a shot. He wanted to try out this routine called the “Mr. Smooth.” So there’s this chick, I think she was a law student, and I did some hypnotic seduction on her and had her in a nice little trance. Then Primoman goes up to her and does this “Mr. Smooth” routine, and he basically says to her like (holding his hand out like a microphone in the high-pitched Primoman voice) “Hey, what is it like to be on my game show? Mmm-hmmmm.”
She looks at him like he’s dog shit, and then he says to her… and I guess he got this from a guy named Grand Master -- Grand Master’s ball-busting tactic. He looks at the girl, looks her up and down, and in his dolt-esque way, takes a deep breath and says “Mmmmm!” Suddenly grabs her boobies, big bear-paw grab with both hands, and says “You’re an intelligent woman,” squeezing her boobs as he’s bobbing up and down, with his big, dumb, deer eyes, sucking in his lips, “Mmm-hmmmm.”
She completely turns white, like Casper the Ghost. Oh, but he doesn’t stop there. He grabs his… I don’t even want to say it… genitals, and says “I’m an intelligent man.” At this point she goes to turn away from him, and he gets her leg and says “And we should have an intelligent conversation!” as he’s thrusting her back and forth, humping her like a horny Chiwawa. And she proceeds to slap him and get the two very large men she’s with to beat him up.
And it’s interesting, because in bars I think most guys, they kind-of want to dominate, or out-alpha other guys, but they don’t really want to fight. So these guys, they come up and they try to intimidate him, and he just antagonizes the guys more. Well, I had to work stuff out to avoid a fight. And on our way out, he’s like “I really think we made progress with the Mr. Smooth stuff. Mmm-hmmmm. This is so much more effective than anything else. YAH!”
So, basically, I thought all the stuff that he was talking about was garbage, but I went out with him several times, had to defend him in a couple fights, but I noticed even though I had better pick ups or what have you, there was something slightly different about what he was doing. For whatever reason, the girls he approached were trying to get rapport with him. They were chasing him, and I couldn’t quite figure out why that was.
But then I was reading through some posts one day, and there was a guy on there named Zvi. And he posted a bunch of stuff very similar to what Primo was doing. I read it, and I was like “Hmmm. There’s really something to what he’s doing.” He wasn’t trying to get rapport with girls, in fact, he would miss-matching them. He would actually break rapport with them on purpose and he would mercilessly tease girls, and he wouldn’t pattern them. In fact, sometimes he wouldn’t even talk that much. He’d kind-of make the girl talk. And he wouldn’t ask her questions. The girl ended up kind-of qualifying herself, and there was something to these posts. And, you know, about a day after that, certain people on the list end up flaming Zvi, saying that he’s full of shit, and all this stuff, and everything that he was doing comes from a guy named “Hypnotize backwards.”
Thundercat: Sisonpyh.
Swinggcat: We’ll just call him Sisonpyh. And the flamers went on to say that Sisonpyh got all this stuff from a guy named “Rick H.” And that it’s good for a certain sort of girl, but this just won’t work on women. Well, like I’ve always been since I was a little kid, when someone tells me “Don’t do something,” I want to do it. I want to find out more about it.
So I got introduced to this thing called Cliff’s List, and I noticed this Sisonpyh guy had been posting all of this stuff on there. It wasn’t “trying to get rapport with them,” it wasn’t “eliciting values,” it wasn’t “asking questions,” and I experimented with it and got results tantamount to Primoman’s. You know, got some drinks in my face, you know, didn’t get beat up, but pretty close a couple times.
And then one day I was trying some of his tactics out on this 325 lbs. black woman, and it’s like the more I teased her, the more I ignored her… the more she would try and touch me. And I realized there was something I was doing there. I wasn’t getting rapport with her, I wasn’t trying -- in fact, I was doing the opposite. By not attracting her, she kind-of became attracted. And at that point I realized there was something fundamentally wrong about the underlying meaning of the interaction that I was setting with women.
So anyways, fast forward, I moved down to LA, and in the back of my mind I knew about this ball-busting stuff. Around this time, that Mystery guy that Primoman told me about started giving these workshops. He gave a workshop in Los Angeles, and I had thought about the idea of maybe taking the workshop, but I didn’t take it. After that, there was a guy by the name of “Chris Powles,” who later became Style, wrote a rave review about the seminar. I wanted to see what the big hoop-la was, so I e-mailed him. We hooked up and we went out to a party, and after that we went to some bar, and Chris Powles’ whole spiel was he’d do these magic tricks. And I wasn’t very impressed, this guy wasn’t very good, um, later on of course he became great, but he was the one who introduced me to Mystery.
About a month after that, he introduced me to a guy named Sindrome, aka Sin. Sin was this little, pale, goth kid who looked like Eddy Munster on LSD. He a real high-pitched nasal voice. And my first introduction to him was, I went to go meet Chris Powels, Style, at this party, and I walk in, and this little kid, Sindrome, has all these people sitting around him listening to his stories, courting all this attention. And I realize “This is a powerful guy. This is a guy with a STRONG reality. This is a guy that I want to get to know.”
So we hung out, and although I wasn’t impressed with his seduction skills, I was impressed with how well he could court attention. I was also impressed with how he could easily talk to tons of chicks and get great reactions. And I realized that he was doing something that I hadn’t learned before. I started picking up on that there was something terribly wrong with what I was doing. I was considered one of the best at seducing women, and when it came to walk-ups, you know, I had great seductions that would go well, but half the time it wouldn’t go well.
This guy was doing something different. He didn’t use NLP, but he still was triggering attraction within women, and he wasn’t doing it by seducing either. He was doing something else. He had a strong reality, and he was somehow sucking people into his reality. From then on you know I was a changed man…I learned a new way of approaching women and how to suck them into my reality…very different than what I was doing before. This was the embarking upon the journey to “real success”…far beyond the days number just getting number closes and just getting kiss closes. This planted the seed for the method I developed that lets me live the mutha fuckin sick life style I live today…Caligula style sick....I used to molest girls, but now I have tools that they are trying molesting me. I know by going for the kiss and then pulling back I am making them reach for more…often times so much more that they are trying to molest me. And this ain’t about hypnotizing girls, its so fucking different and easier….its like once you get it it cant get easier. And something I’ve been thinking about lately, and that is “What is reality anyways?” And I think reality comes down to 3 things…
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VI
Thundercat: So how did you start developing your own method?
Swinggcat: So, this is an interesting story, let me back up a bit. Before I moved back down to LA, I was still living in my college town, wasn’t going to school up there, but like a lot of kids, wanted to pretend I was in college for a longer time than I really was. I met a guy who in this community goes by the name “Primoman.” Primoman played a kind-of very pivotal role in my breakout from the whole SS system. I met Primoman in the summer of 2001, through the EBSS Seduction Lair.
And Primoman was the guy who originally told me that there was a guy named Mystery who was great, there was a guy named David DeAngelo who was phenomenal -- although he wasn’t called David DeAngelo back then, he was called… I think it was “Hypnotize” spelled backwards.
Thundercat: Sisonpyh
Swinggcat: Sisonpyh. Yes, exactly. Anyways, he told me about this guy, and about all these different guys, and everyone else in the EBSS thought this guy was full of shit. But I told Primoman “You know what? I’ll try out your method. I’ll try out all this new stuff.” So we went to a bar, and I started doing my hypnotic seduction stuff. And Primoman looked at me and he’s like (in a high pitched voice) “Swinggcat, you got to bust their balls. And you don’t want to talk about any of the deep stuff. You gotta be superficial, don’t be intellectual. Girls don’t like that in a bar, Mmm-hmmmm.”
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: And I was thinking “What was this guy up to?” But I decided I’ll give this clown a shot. He wanted to try out this routine called the “Mr. Smooth.” So there’s this chick, I think she was a law student, and I did some hypnotic seduction on her and had her in a nice little trance. Then Primoman goes up to her and does this “Mr. Smooth” routine, and he basically says to her like (holding his hand out like a microphone in the high-pitched Primoman voice) “Hey, what is it like to be on my game show? Mmm-hmmmm.”
She looks at him like he’s dog shit, and then he says to her… and I guess he got this from a guy named Grand Master -- Grand Master’s ball-busting tactic. He looks at the girl, looks her up and down, and in his dolt-esque way, takes a deep breath and says “Mmmmm!” Suddenly grabs her boobies, big bear-paw grab with both hands, and says “You’re an intelligent woman,” squeezing her boobs as he’s bobbing up and down, with his big, dumb, deer eyes, sucking in his lips, “Mmm-hmmmm.”
She completely turns white, like Casper the Ghost. Oh, but he doesn’t stop there. He grabs his… I don’t even want to say it… genitals, and says “I’m an intelligent man.” At this point she goes to turn away from him, and he gets her leg and says “And we should have an intelligent conversation!” as he’s thrusting her back and forth, humping her like a horny Chiwawa. And she proceeds to slap him and get the two very large men she’s with to beat him up.
And it’s interesting, because in bars I think most guys, they kind-of want to dominate, or out-alpha other guys, but they don’t really want to fight. So these guys, they come up and they try to intimidate him, and he just antagonizes the guys more. Well, I had to work stuff out to avoid a fight. And on our way out, he’s like “I really think we made progress with the Mr. Smooth stuff. Mmm-hmmmm. This is so much more effective than anything else. YAH!”
So, basically, I thought all the stuff that he was talking about was garbage, but I went out with him several times, had to defend him in a couple fights, but I noticed even though I had better pick ups or what have you, there was something slightly different about what he was doing. For whatever reason, the girls he approached were trying to get rapport with him. They were chasing him, and I couldn’t quite figure out why that was.
But then I was reading through some posts one day, and there was a guy on there named Zvi. And he posted a bunch of stuff very similar to what Primo was doing. I read it, and I was like “Hmmm. There’s really something to what he’s doing.” He wasn’t trying to get rapport with girls, in fact, he would miss-matching them. He would actually break rapport with them on purpose and he would mercilessly tease girls, and he wouldn’t pattern them. In fact, sometimes he wouldn’t even talk that much. He’d kind-of make the girl talk. And he wouldn’t ask her questions. The girl ended up kind-of qualifying herself, and there was something to these posts. And, you know, about a day after that, certain people on the list end up flaming Zvi, saying that he’s full of shit, and all this stuff, and everything that he was doing comes from a guy named “Hypnotize backwards.”
Thundercat: Sisonpyh.
Swinggcat: We’ll just call him Sisonpyh. And the flamers went on to say that Sisonpyh got all this stuff from a guy named “Rick H.” And that it’s good for a certain sort of girl, but this just won’t work on women. Well, like I’ve always been since I was a little kid, when someone tells me “Don’t do something,” I want to do it. I want to find out more about it.
So I got introduced to this thing called Cliff’s List, and I noticed this Sisonpyh guy had been posting all of this stuff on there. It wasn’t “trying to get rapport with them,” it wasn’t “eliciting values,” it wasn’t “asking questions,” and I experimented with it and got results tantamount to Primoman’s. You know, got some drinks in my face, you know, didn’t get beat up, but pretty close a couple times.
And then one day I was trying some of his tactics out on this 325 lbs. black woman, and it’s like the more I teased her, the more I ignored her… the more she would try and touch me. And I realized there was something I was doing there. I wasn’t getting rapport with her, I wasn’t trying -- in fact, I was doing the opposite. By not attracting her, she kind-of became attracted. And at that point I realized there was something fundamentally wrong about the underlying meaning of the interaction that I was setting with women.
So anyways, fast forward, I moved down to LA, and in the back of my mind I knew about this ball-busting stuff. Around this time, that Mystery guy that Primoman told me about started giving these workshops. He gave a workshop in Los Angeles, and I had thought about the idea of maybe taking the workshop, but I didn’t take it. After that, there was a guy by the name of “Chris Powles,” who later became Style, wrote a rave review about the seminar. I wanted to see what the big hoop-la was, so I e-mailed him. We hooked up and we went out to a party, and after that we went to some bar, and Chris Powles’ whole spiel was he’d do these magic tricks. And I wasn’t very impressed, this guy wasn’t very good, um, later on of course he became great, but he was the one who introduced me to Mystery.
About a month after that, he introduced me to a guy named Sindrome, aka Sin. Sin was this little, pale, goth kid who looked like Eddy Munster on LSD. He a real high-pitched nasal voice. And my first introduction to him was, I went to go meet Chris Powels, Style, at this party, and I walk in, and this little kid, Sindrome, has all these people sitting around him listening to his stories, courting all this attention. And I realize “This is a powerful guy. This is a guy with a STRONG reality. This is a guy that I want to get to know.”
So we hung out, and although I wasn’t impressed with his seduction skills, I was impressed with how well he could court attention. I was also impressed with how he could easily talk to tons of chicks and get great reactions. And I realized that he was doing something that I hadn’t learned before. I started picking up on that there was something terribly wrong with what I was doing. I was considered one of the best at seducing women, and when it came to walk-ups, you know, I had great seductions that would go well, but half the time it wouldn’t go well.
This guy was doing something different. He didn’t use NLP, but he still was triggering attraction within women, and he wasn’t doing it by seducing either. He was doing something else. He had a strong reality, and he was somehow sucking people into his reality. From then on you know I was a changed man…I learned a new way of approaching women and how to suck them into my reality…very different than what I was doing before. This was the embarking upon the journey to “real success”…far beyond the days number just getting number closes and just getting kiss closes. This planted the seed for the method I developed that lets me live the mutha fuckin sick life style I live today…Caligula style sick....I used to molest girls, but now I have tools that they are trying molesting me. I know by going for the kiss and then pulling back I am making them reach for more…often times so much more that they are trying to molest me. And this ain’t about hypnotizing girls, its so fucking different and easier….its like once you get it it cant get easier. And something I’ve been thinking about lately, and that is “What is reality anyways?” And I think reality comes down to 3 things…
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Part 7: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VII
Thundercat: So what exactly is your definition of “reality?”
Swinggcat: Reality comes down to sucking people into your story -- this is your life, your story. It comes down to you being the one that defines the underlying meaning of the interaction -- meaning, you’re the one who decides how they see things. And the 3rd thing is, things are on YOUR terms. When it’s your reality, people do things on your terms. And so, let’s get back to the first one, which is that this is YOUR story.
Before, I was asking girls lots of questions, I was trying to elicit values, and what I didn’t realize is that I was trying to get rapport with them, and in the process, they were sucking me into their reality. It was their story, it was their life, I was a character in THEIR story. And when you allow someone to do that, when you enter a person’s reality like that, one of the consequences that ensues is that you end up doing things on their terms. What I’ve learned to do is ask less questions. I let them elicit MY values. It’s all about ME sucking them into MY life’s story. They get to come along for the ride, but I’m the star of my movie. I’m not in THEIR movie, their in MY movie. And for that reason, they end up doing things on MY terms.
Rapport is a funny word. In this context, when I make it about me, when I make it about my story and my life, it forces them to relate to me. I throw stuff out there, “This is what I like to do.” It forces them to kind-of say “I like that too.” And that’s a really big part of what I do – sucking people into my reality.
Thundercat: And the second part?
Swinggcat: So the second part is, defining the underlying meaning of the interaction. What most guys do in typical “dating” or “courting” of women, is imploring. They’re trying to win the woman over, they’re trying to get her approval. If they’re impressive, if they show that they’re valuable, if they’re really nice to her, the woman will accept them, and they’ll ultimately get the woman. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that within that frame, that underlying meaning, it’s really difficult to win over a woman. I mean, you’ve been there before Thundy.
Thundercat: Oh yeah.
Swinggcat: It’s like, so tough, you know?
Thundercat: Yeah.
Swinggcat: And you know, this seduction stuff is great. You’re not spending a lot of money on girls anymore, you got these great routines, these great stories, and you’re eliciting their values and making them feel all these great feelings, but at the end of the day, you’re still trying to win the woman over. You’re trying to get her attracted to you. And it’s interesting, because – I’m not gonna mention her name, but the exotic dancer we both know…
Thundercat: Oh yeah. Her.
Swinggcat: When we were talking to her the other night, she said some really sage words. Which were -- she’s attracted to guys who don’t try and trigger those attraction signals. She’s attracted to men to whom it doesn’t really matter. And the men who try and trigger those attraction signals, she isn’t attracted to. And I think that’s right. I think what we have to realize is that attraction is less about how a woman judges you, meaning trying to do all these things so she calls us an attractive person, and more about how we define the underlying meaning of the interaction. It’s more about what you do with her mind and body. It’s more about getting her so emotionally charged that she is compelled to chase you. She just has to…she is compelled.
When you are trying to win her over, when you are imploring, she is getting YOU to do stuff. She is doing something to YOUR mind and body, YOU’RE becoming attracted to HER. So doing all this stuff, all this courting stuff, you know, is really good for making yourself attracted to the girl. But it doesn’t do much to actually get the girl attracted to you. And so guys ask “How do you get the girl attracted to you?” The answer is: You have to give up that mindset all together. You gotta think of it in terms of “It doesn’t really matter.” You’re gonna do stuff on your terms, and you’re gonna make her prove to you that she’s attractive. That will ultimately get women attracted to you. But you can’t even think about it in terms of trying to get them attracted to you, or you’re back in the old way of thinking.
Thundercat: It’s like a Catch-22.
Swinggcat: It is. It really is.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VII
Thundercat: So what exactly is your definition of “reality?”
Swinggcat: Reality comes down to sucking people into your story -- this is your life, your story. It comes down to you being the one that defines the underlying meaning of the interaction -- meaning, you’re the one who decides how they see things. And the 3rd thing is, things are on YOUR terms. When it’s your reality, people do things on your terms. And so, let’s get back to the first one, which is that this is YOUR story.
Before, I was asking girls lots of questions, I was trying to elicit values, and what I didn’t realize is that I was trying to get rapport with them, and in the process, they were sucking me into their reality. It was their story, it was their life, I was a character in THEIR story. And when you allow someone to do that, when you enter a person’s reality like that, one of the consequences that ensues is that you end up doing things on their terms. What I’ve learned to do is ask less questions. I let them elicit MY values. It’s all about ME sucking them into MY life’s story. They get to come along for the ride, but I’m the star of my movie. I’m not in THEIR movie, their in MY movie. And for that reason, they end up doing things on MY terms.
Rapport is a funny word. In this context, when I make it about me, when I make it about my story and my life, it forces them to relate to me. I throw stuff out there, “This is what I like to do.” It forces them to kind-of say “I like that too.” And that’s a really big part of what I do – sucking people into my reality.
Thundercat: And the second part?
Swinggcat: So the second part is, defining the underlying meaning of the interaction. What most guys do in typical “dating” or “courting” of women, is imploring. They’re trying to win the woman over, they’re trying to get her approval. If they’re impressive, if they show that they’re valuable, if they’re really nice to her, the woman will accept them, and they’ll ultimately get the woman. And one thing I learned a long time ago is that within that frame, that underlying meaning, it’s really difficult to win over a woman. I mean, you’ve been there before Thundy.
Thundercat: Oh yeah.
Swinggcat: It’s like, so tough, you know?
Thundercat: Yeah.
Swinggcat: And you know, this seduction stuff is great. You’re not spending a lot of money on girls anymore, you got these great routines, these great stories, and you’re eliciting their values and making them feel all these great feelings, but at the end of the day, you’re still trying to win the woman over. You’re trying to get her attracted to you. And it’s interesting, because – I’m not gonna mention her name, but the exotic dancer we both know…
Thundercat: Oh yeah. Her.
Swinggcat: When we were talking to her the other night, she said some really sage words. Which were -- she’s attracted to guys who don’t try and trigger those attraction signals. She’s attracted to men to whom it doesn’t really matter. And the men who try and trigger those attraction signals, she isn’t attracted to. And I think that’s right. I think what we have to realize is that attraction is less about how a woman judges you, meaning trying to do all these things so she calls us an attractive person, and more about how we define the underlying meaning of the interaction. It’s more about what you do with her mind and body. It’s more about getting her so emotionally charged that she is compelled to chase you. She just has to…she is compelled.
When you are trying to win her over, when you are imploring, she is getting YOU to do stuff. She is doing something to YOUR mind and body, YOU’RE becoming attracted to HER. So doing all this stuff, all this courting stuff, you know, is really good for making yourself attracted to the girl. But it doesn’t do much to actually get the girl attracted to you. And so guys ask “How do you get the girl attracted to you?” The answer is: You have to give up that mindset all together. You gotta think of it in terms of “It doesn’t really matter.” You’re gonna do stuff on your terms, and you’re gonna make her prove to you that she’s attractive. That will ultimately get women attracted to you. But you can’t even think about it in terms of trying to get them attracted to you, or you’re back in the old way of thinking.
Thundercat: It’s like a Catch-22.
Swinggcat: It is. It really is.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 8: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART VIII
Thundercat: Every system has its drawbacks.
Swinggcat: That’s right. I mean, it reminds me of Adam the Natural. You know, to Adam the Natural, it doesn’t really matter. If a girl doesn’t impress him “Buh-bye!” And I mean, the thing about it is, we’ve talked about this before, he loses a lot of girls. And it’s like “Oh, if he was a LITTLE bit more interesting, a little bit more interested in her, he’d get so many more girls.” But then he’d cease to be in that frame. He’d cease to define the whole interaction in that way. It works because he truly doesn’t care. There’s a Zen to it, there really is. So that’s terribly important.
But the other thing is to always be conscious of where you are in the interaction and how it’s being defined, because the reality is women WILL test us. Women test us all the time. Or they do things to kind-of get control of the interaction, and what I mean is they try and define the underlying meaning of the interaction as YOU chasing THEM. And, often times we do a lot of great stuff when we really aren’t into a girl, and they start chasing us. For instance, maybe you’re in a bar, and you’re teasing this girl, you’re giving her a hard time, she’s chasing you… and then she says to you “Oh, we could never get together because I have a boyfriend.” And she might be saying this for numerous reasons, but it’s a test. And all a test is, is a behavior that she does, in which you react to it, and she judges your reaction to it. Whenever she’s judging you in any way, it’s a test. She might do so inadvertently. Maybe she’s scared, and she says “I have a boyfriend,” because she’s just so attracted to you.
Thundercat: (Laughs)
Swinggcat: But the fact of the matter is, she says “I have a boyfriend,” she just says it out of nowhere, right? You’re slammed dead in your tracks, and you say to her something like “I’m better than him,” or “I’m funnier than him.” And you start qualifying yourself to her. You start trying to prove to her that you’re worthy. Now who’s chasing who? You’re chasing her and she’s going to judge that because she wants a man who’s the prize. When she’s the prize, you cease to be the prize. So, is the right way to respond to it is not to qualify yourself at all? Some people might even say “Say Nothing.” I think both are wrong. I think there’s another way of thinking. And what I think what you can do, is you can reframe, or redefine the underlying meaning of what she just said.
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Wednesday, October 27, 2004
Part 9: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IX
T: What do you think is something most guys mess up on that might not normally come to mind?
S: I think at the end of the day, it comes down to validation. Most guys are picking up girls not for the pure act of sex -- they’d just go to prostitutes if that’s just what they wanted. Most guys, at a certain point in the interaction, are trying to get the woman’s validation. In fact, even if they are just trying to get sex, there’s this kind-of misconception in our culture that if you win a woman’s validation, if she judges you as an attractive person, she’ll sleep with you because she’ll be attracted to you. But that’s not what attraction is. Attraction is not how a woman judges you. Attraction is what you do to her mind and body, whether she knows it or not, if you do certain things to her mind and body, if you bring her into your reality and make her do things on your terms, she is attracted to you indeed. And, you know, if I was to give one thing to guys, it is “Be the prize.”
T: What does that mean? To “be the prize?”
S: I mean, you can believe you’re the prize, but if you’re still trying to convince a girl that you’re the prize, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere with her. What I’m talking about is something fundamentally different, and that is literally creating yourself as the prize. Not an internal belief, but an external dynamic of the interaction with a woman. You are defining the underlying meaning of the interaction as you being the prize, making her chase you.
T: Let’s talk about your book for a second.
S: Okay.
T: What inspired you to write your own book on this subject?
S: I wrote this book because, to be quite frank with you, most of the material out there, absolutely, stinks. And I wrote this book because I think this is something that a lot of guys struggle with. I mean, let’s be honest here. Guys are always going to be trying to get laid more. Its kind-of been the predicament since the beginning of man. We’re all trying to get more poontangus.
T: Except now we can’t club them over the head and drag them back to our cave.
S: Well, we can. That’s in my next book.
T: (laughter)
S: So the reason I put this body of knowledge together is through basically trial and error, and obsession. I think most of us guys who are involved in this are pretty obsessive-compulsive, and through trial and error, I figured a lot of stuff out. And it was fundamentally very different than a lot of other products out there, and I think that I really noticed something that a lot of other guys putting products out there kind-of… maybe they know about but they never really addressed, but what I did notice was this fundamental thing that I was doing was something that a lot of naturals do.
A lot of naturals are very good at getting the girl to chase them. They don’t know what they’re doing a lot of times, but that’s because they don’t really give a shit… that’s the good part of being an ass hole. The good part of being an ass hole is really not caring about what the girl thinks and getting her to chase you. And I really think my book is the first body of knowledge that really teaches guys how to do this in an extremely in depth way. And because I have such a deep understanding of it, and because it wasn’t out there, I felt that I was almost obligated to put this book together and offer it to other guys.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART IX
T: What do you think is something most guys mess up on that might not normally come to mind?
S: I think at the end of the day, it comes down to validation. Most guys are picking up girls not for the pure act of sex -- they’d just go to prostitutes if that’s just what they wanted. Most guys, at a certain point in the interaction, are trying to get the woman’s validation. In fact, even if they are just trying to get sex, there’s this kind-of misconception in our culture that if you win a woman’s validation, if she judges you as an attractive person, she’ll sleep with you because she’ll be attracted to you. But that’s not what attraction is. Attraction is not how a woman judges you. Attraction is what you do to her mind and body, whether she knows it or not, if you do certain things to her mind and body, if you bring her into your reality and make her do things on your terms, she is attracted to you indeed. And, you know, if I was to give one thing to guys, it is “Be the prize.”
T: What does that mean? To “be the prize?”
S: I mean, you can believe you’re the prize, but if you’re still trying to convince a girl that you’re the prize, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere with her. What I’m talking about is something fundamentally different, and that is literally creating yourself as the prize. Not an internal belief, but an external dynamic of the interaction with a woman. You are defining the underlying meaning of the interaction as you being the prize, making her chase you.
T: Let’s talk about your book for a second.
S: Okay.
T: What inspired you to write your own book on this subject?
S: I wrote this book because, to be quite frank with you, most of the material out there, absolutely, stinks. And I wrote this book because I think this is something that a lot of guys struggle with. I mean, let’s be honest here. Guys are always going to be trying to get laid more. Its kind-of been the predicament since the beginning of man. We’re all trying to get more poontangus.
T: Except now we can’t club them over the head and drag them back to our cave.
S: Well, we can. That’s in my next book.
T: (laughter)
S: So the reason I put this body of knowledge together is through basically trial and error, and obsession. I think most of us guys who are involved in this are pretty obsessive-compulsive, and through trial and error, I figured a lot of stuff out. And it was fundamentally very different than a lot of other products out there, and I think that I really noticed something that a lot of other guys putting products out there kind-of… maybe they know about but they never really addressed, but what I did notice was this fundamental thing that I was doing was something that a lot of naturals do.
A lot of naturals are very good at getting the girl to chase them. They don’t know what they’re doing a lot of times, but that’s because they don’t really give a shit… that’s the good part of being an ass hole. The good part of being an ass hole is really not caring about what the girl thinks and getting her to chase you. And I really think my book is the first body of knowledge that really teaches guys how to do this in an extremely in depth way. And because I have such a deep understanding of it, and because it wasn’t out there, I felt that I was almost obligated to put this book together and offer it to other guys.
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
Part 10: Interview With The Dating, Seduction, & Attraction Expert, Swinggcat
An Interview with Swinggcat
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART X
T: Now, you call your book “Real World Seduction.” Explain the reasoning behind picking that name as opposed to something like “Super fast Pick-Up happy quick magic,” or something of the equivalent.
S: Well, the reason is at the end of the day, we can sit around and argue about what the semantics of what seduction is, but when it comes down to it, seduction is basically the process of going from meeting a woman to sleeping with her. We can exclude paying for her, and we can exclude forms of rape. Regardless, there’s many different ways to go about it, but that very process is what I’m calling “seduction.” So, seduction is what I think is the process of what we do.
The reason I call it “Real World” is because this isn’t just a bunch of theory. I’m not going to get into fancy “Sperm War” stuff, or what have you. This is my real life experience. I am a real life, real world seducer. And although certain other people inspired me, the stuff that I came up with is just from my experience. And I think that’s fundamentally different than a lot of the stuff out there. I mean, I think a lot of the stuff should be called “Armchair Seduction,” or “Real Computer Seduction,” or something like that. Most of these guys aren’t out in the field, so to speak.
You know, I’m interacting with real women on a constant basis, and I think that’s what’s fundamentally different. It’s interesting, Robert Greene has a book called “Art of Seduction” where he talks about all these different things, all these different examples, and the book is quite good, because in my experience, a lot of that stuff is right on. Now, interestingly enough, I know a lot of guys who don’t find his stuff practical. That tells me they aren’t out in the field, because that book exemplifies exactly what the process of seduction is, and what the process of attraction is. There’s many ways to go about it, but attraction is, at the end of the day, what you do to a woman’s mind and body. Not how you get her to judge you.
T: How would you compare your book to some of the other stuff on the market out there?
S: The main thing my book is going to teach you how to do is, when it comes down to it, we all have some sort of need, or validation, and possibly even insecurity for having control over certain social interactions. We’ve all been there before where it’s like, even if we get laid haphazard, we’ve been in situations where we just don’t feel like we have control over the situation. We can’t direct where it goes. In my book, I’ve really broken it down to a science. It is so easy to control the interaction once you’ve read my book.
T: One of the things I like about your book is you actually have homework assignments. I don’t know of many other product that does that, and the products out there that do, in fact, do it, it’s not like “serious” homework.
S: Well, thank you.
T: I know it’s helped me a lot.
S: Fantastic. How has it helped you, by the way?
T: Well, I can actually talk to women now!
S: Awesome. I get e-mails from guys all the time saying my book changed their life.
T: Exactly. I mean, we’ve been out before, and you’ve seen how I progressed.
S: You’ve made huge, huge improvements. I mean, you’re amazing.
T: Thanks, man. But getting back to you…
S: Okay. Now that our “hug” is over.
T: (Laughs) That’s right, nobody want’s to hear about me. What’s in the future for Swinggcat? What are you looking forward to doing?
S: I’m working on quite a bit of stuff, and one of the things I’m interested in is teaching guys how to master socializing, because it’s beyond just issues with women and stuff like that. There’s a ton of material that I haven’t even talked about that I’ve been working on that will give you power in business, in social situations, and there’s a lot of products I’m going to develop online.
T: Well, that begs the question everyone really wants to know. Are you going to do seminars?
S: Still undecided if I’m going to do seminars or not.
T: Does it depend on the kind of interest that’s out there?
S: Oh, the interest is there. The question is if I want to go in that direction or not. But there’s all sorts of stuff in the works. And possibly even in-field workshops, though it would be something that would kind-of crack the paradigm of what is currently available. It would be something very different. But it’s going to be absolutely life changing, no matter what it is
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book “Real World Seduction.” Famous in the Speed Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he’s planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into several parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
PART X
T: Now, you call your book “Real World Seduction.” Explain the reasoning behind picking that name as opposed to something like “Super fast Pick-Up happy quick magic,” or something of the equivalent.
S: Well, the reason is at the end of the day, we can sit around and argue about what the semantics of what seduction is, but when it comes down to it, seduction is basically the process of going from meeting a woman to sleeping with her. We can exclude paying for her, and we can exclude forms of rape. Regardless, there’s many different ways to go about it, but that very process is what I’m calling “seduction.” So, seduction is what I think is the process of what we do.
The reason I call it “Real World” is because this isn’t just a bunch of theory. I’m not going to get into fancy “Sperm War” stuff, or what have you. This is my real life experience. I am a real life, real world seducer. And although certain other people inspired me, the stuff that I came up with is just from my experience. And I think that’s fundamentally different than a lot of the stuff out there. I mean, I think a lot of the stuff should be called “Armchair Seduction,” or “Real Computer Seduction,” or something like that. Most of these guys aren’t out in the field, so to speak.
You know, I’m interacting with real women on a constant basis, and I think that’s what’s fundamentally different. It’s interesting, Robert Greene has a book called “Art of Seduction” where he talks about all these different things, all these different examples, and the book is quite good, because in my experience, a lot of that stuff is right on. Now, interestingly enough, I know a lot of guys who don’t find his stuff practical. That tells me they aren’t out in the field, because that book exemplifies exactly what the process of seduction is, and what the process of attraction is. There’s many ways to go about it, but attraction is, at the end of the day, what you do to a woman’s mind and body. Not how you get her to judge you.
T: How would you compare your book to some of the other stuff on the market out there?
S: The main thing my book is going to teach you how to do is, when it comes down to it, we all have some sort of need, or validation, and possibly even insecurity for having control over certain social interactions. We’ve all been there before where it’s like, even if we get laid haphazard, we’ve been in situations where we just don’t feel like we have control over the situation. We can’t direct where it goes. In my book, I’ve really broken it down to a science. It is so easy to control the interaction once you’ve read my book.
T: One of the things I like about your book is you actually have homework assignments. I don’t know of many other product that does that, and the products out there that do, in fact, do it, it’s not like “serious” homework.
S: Well, thank you.
T: I know it’s helped me a lot.
S: Fantastic. How has it helped you, by the way?
T: Well, I can actually talk to women now!
S: Awesome. I get e-mails from guys all the time saying my book changed their life.
T: Exactly. I mean, we’ve been out before, and you’ve seen how I progressed.
S: You’ve made huge, huge improvements. I mean, you’re amazing.
T: Thanks, man. But getting back to you…
S: Okay. Now that our “hug” is over.
T: (Laughs) That’s right, nobody want’s to hear about me. What’s in the future for Swinggcat? What are you looking forward to doing?
S: I’m working on quite a bit of stuff, and one of the things I’m interested in is teaching guys how to master socializing, because it’s beyond just issues with women and stuff like that. There’s a ton of material that I haven’t even talked about that I’ve been working on that will give you power in business, in social situations, and there’s a lot of products I’m going to develop online.
T: Well, that begs the question everyone really wants to know. Are you going to do seminars?
S: Still undecided if I’m going to do seminars or not.
T: Does it depend on the kind of interest that’s out there?
S: Oh, the interest is there. The question is if I want to go in that direction or not. But there’s all sorts of stuff in the works. And possibly even in-field workshops, though it would be something that would kind-of crack the paradigm of what is currently available. It would be something very different. But it’s going to be absolutely life changing, no matter what it is
You can visit Swinggcat's website, RealWorldSeduction
DatingTipsForMen publishes top dating, attraction, and seduction articles.
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